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Michael L · Post by **Michael L** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:50 pm

Is there a DAW with midi commands for playing a melodic phrase upside down, backward, slower, faster, changing note lengths, creating a continually rising sequence from a part, modulating keys, dropping all the thirds two octaves, raising/inverting the root an octave, etc?

Dostoyevsky · Post by **Dostoyevsky** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:28 pm

Maybe this?
https://alexandernaut.com/fuguemachine/

Winstontaneous · Post by **Winstontaneous** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:39 pm

Logic Pro X has some MIDI Transform commands I've used that are similar enough to Retrograde, Inverse, and other functions. I imagine you could create intervallic "rules" in Logic Pro's Scripter based on the project's key.

There's an iOS app called Fugue Machine but that's not a desktop DAW.

I'm sure you could do all of this and more with Loomer's Architect provided you know all the steps required - I'm still waiting for the next release with factory demo presets before buying.

bharris22 · Post by **bharris22** » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:39 am

I would recommend Melodya for these types of transformations: http://www.musicdevelopments.com/melodya.html.

On sale for $29 until 12/31, and Attila (the developer) is very good and responsive. If there is something you want that it does not/cannot do, I am sure he would implement it in the next release.

Michael L · Post by **Michael L** » Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:10 am

Thank you all for the suggestions!
I have Fugue Machine, and am demoing Melodya, which has the transformations I am looking for.
I doubt there is a DAW with such great midi visualizations.

ReleaseCandidate · Post by **ReleaseCandidate** » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:30 pm

Your best bet is to use a notation program, they are way better suited for this.
Like Sibelius, Dorico or the free Musescore (I don't know about it's features).
Sibelius has the most features for that stuff, but Dorico Elements (I guess you don't need more than 14 instruments) is cheaper. I would not recommend using Finale if you value your mental health, and Notion lacks note actions for that

Michael L · Post by **Michael L** » Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:23 pm

ReleaseCandidate wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:30 pmYour best bet is to use a notation program, they are way better suited for this.

Thanks. I have Notion which does not have these features, but did not know they vary so much. I will investigate!

ReleaseCandidate · Post by **ReleaseCandidate** » Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:28 pm

Michael L wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:23 pm
ReleaseCandidate wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:30 pmYour best bet is to use a notation program, they are way better suited for this.
Thanks. I have Notion which does not have these features, but did not know they vary so much. I will investigate!

Yes, Notion is mainly for 'writing' but doesn't have any editing features. Sibelius still has the most.

The Nerdy Music Guy · Post by **The Nerdy Music Guy** » Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:40 pm

Musescore probably has plugins for that kind of thing. I know there is a retrograde plugin.
Check here: https://musescore.org/en/plugins

tonedef71 · Post by **tonedef71** » Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:39 am

Pizzicato Professional has the ability to do all of those transformations and so much more. While the UI is out of the late 1990's, the software is very powerful and feature-rich.

Documentation regarding the smart link tool: http://www.arpegemusic.com/manual36/EN800.htm
Demonstration of the smart link tool:

Michael L · Post by **Michael L** » Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:34 am

tonedef71 wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:39 amPizzicato Professional has the ability to do all of those transformations and so much more.

Yes, it's a truly phenomenal program! I demoed it in 2014 but found the UI too 'bitmappy.' Dominique has been promising to refactor Pizzicato....

trewq · Post by **trewq** » Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:32 am

Is this what you mean by 'upside down' in the op?

https://images.app.goo.gl/9eaESK3x9Wz18Hfm9

If not, can you elaborate?
Thanks.

Anyway it captured my interest when I saw this graphic, and want to try it.

Michael L · Post by **Michael L** » Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:49 am

trewq wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:32 amIs this what you mean by 'upside down' in the op?

Yes. The phrase can be inverted (around a chosen note) as a solo melody in the same register, or inverted and transposed in harmonic counterpoint, as in your image.
Here are ten fun steps to write a fugue:
https://www.classicfm.com/discover-musi ... e-a-fugue/

BTW, I learned that Digital Performer includes a lot of these transformations, such as inverting pitch around a center, in its Regions Menu.
MuseScore does retrograde, inversions (called Mirror Intervals), and increased note length (Double Time)! I'll demo Sibelius first as the gold standard.

~ Sometimes it takes longer to learn software than to reprogram my brain.

trewq · Post by **trewq** » Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:36 am

Michael L wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:49 am ~ Sometimes it takes longer to learn software than to reprogram my brain.

I know what you mean. For me it's like when there are separate menu items or controls for each kind of transformation. Too much to look at. With ChordwarePA, invert will be just a right or middle click on an existing control that's similar to invert - the negative harmony flip button with a note selector to center the flip.

bharris22 · Post by **bharris22** » Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:59 pm

tonedef71 wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:39 am Pizzicato Professional has the ability to do all of those transformations and so much more. While the UI is out of the late 1990's, the software is very powerful and feature-rich.

I see from your signature that you also have RapidComposer. How would you compare this with Pizzicato?

DAW for Fugues?