this is how a mixer should be

[electronic115]

interesting I'll try it thanks

Man, you ARE pretty clueless aren't you? It's a basic gain plugin, like any DAW has and like there's dozens out there free & paid ones. What's "interesting" about this??

I find it interesting. Now are you going to tell me what I can find interesting?

I told you you're not forced to mix like the pros

by the way, I almost finished it in Reaper

[xbitz]

at least https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-p ... -pro-tools it was an interesting one

[BertKoor]

what matters is the peak meter, from what I see most do not understand the Gain stage

not for nothing there are so many bad mixes

Could you please explain this?
Why peak and not an average like VU?
How does having the peak levels shown as numbers help in getting a better mix?

What's the thing with the balance and two pan knobs, how does that exactly work?
What's with the send & effects?
Faders in plural?

So many questions...

[Reefius]

Gotta love these clueless people who think they're 'pros' after watching some Youtube videos.

Gain staging with modern plugins is a myth because everything is digital. Any decent plugin that emulates analog hardware has an input gain knob/fader. Just don't clip your master because digital clipping sounds horrible.

[antic604]

Gotta love these clueless people who think they're 'pros' after watching some Youtube videos.

Gain staging with modern plugins is a myth because everything is digital. Any decent plugin that emulates analog hardware has an input gain knob/fader. Just don't clip your master because digital clipping sounds horrible.

Well, not really. For example try to set up a compressor properly to a weak signal - very small adjustments will have very big impact, because the differences between signal strength are small. Also, many 'analog modelled' plugins have a sweetspots at -12 to -18dB, so it's important to target that range to get the most out of them.

But I'm not defending the OP here. Most of that you don't really have to know or understand and definitely you don't need some sophisticated metering system. If you're actually listening to what you're doing you'll figure it out 'organically'

[electronic115]

Could you please explain this?
Why peak and not an average like VU?

if you use VU everything will be very loud, i did tests and sounds better using peak in track

the VU and Lufs is in the master

How does having the peak levels shown as numbers help in getting a better mix?

because some people are mixing saturated audio and they don't know it
that means a bad mix

What's the thing with the pan and two balance knobs?
What's with the send & effects?
So many questions...

pan and balanse are two things

[vurt]

gain staging has been done since the dawn of time without extra gain knobs and such.
learning gain staging is far more important than reinvented tech

by all means do as the pros do, but most of them (im assuming all really but have no proof) use mixers with one gain knob per channel and one meter?

most (again it's all, but i have no evidence to back it up beyond my actual experience) mixers i used in the studios i worked in, were all set up this way too.

[apoclypse]

Could you please explain this?
Why peak and not an average like VU?

if you use VU everything will be very loud, i did tests and sounds better using peak in track

the VU and Lufs is in the master

How does having the peak levels shown as numbers help in getting a better mix?

because some people are mixing saturated audio and they don't know it
that means a bad mix

What's the thing with the pan and two balance knobs?
What's with the send & effects?
So many questions...

pan and balanse are two things

Some DAWs already do Peak as an option in the mixer. S1 does this.

Imo if you want to avoid overly loud mixes you can just use the K-system meters I think. Some DAWs have these built in, again S1. Bitwig actually puts one on every channel if you choose.

As for you tests. Every song is different, there is no one size fits all when it comes to mixing and just saying you did tests tells us nothing. As long as you have the experience and know what the meters are doing and how they work then it shouldn't matter if they are peak, peak/RMS (I think most DAWs use this) or the K-system.

[sqigls]

Many companies release synths with presets that clip to the extreme when the fader's at unity.
I'd say most producers just move the DAW mixer fader down.
You can pull down the fader but your effect plugins are still gonna get hammered.

[electronic115]

As for you tests. Every song is different, there is no one size fits all when it comes to mixing and just saying you did tests tells us nothing. As long as you have the experience and know what the meters are doing and how they work then it shouldn't matter if they are peak, peak/RMS (I think most DAWs use this) or the K-system.

I'm not inventing anything, 3 professionals told me that (people who worked in the 80s)

I'm going to stop here, this is a circus

[apoclypse]

As for you tests. Every song is different, there is no one size fits all when it comes to mixing and just saying you did tests tells us nothing. As long as you have the experience and know what the meters are doing and how they work then it shouldn't matter if they are peak, peak/RMS (I think most DAWs use this) or the K-system.

I'm not inventing anything, 3 professionals told me that (people who worked in the 80s)

I'm going to stop here, this is a circus

I think you should. Like you said you are not inventing anything. That meter you are so proud about. Most DAWs already have that built into their mixer channels. You are not adding anything new. Logic, Studio One, I believe Cubase, Bitwig, all have a peak meter. You've added nothing that doesn't exist already.

[electronic115]

I think you should. Like you said you are not inventing anything. That meter you are so proud about. Most DAWs already have that built into their mixer channels. You are not adding anything new. Logic, Studio One, I believe Cubase, Bitwig, all have a peak meter. You've added nothing that doesn't exist already.

if you are not blind, You can see that my meters are in the effects section
for gain staging

the meter in fader is another one, that's for mixing

OK Goodnight

[antic604]

Many companies release synths with presets that clip to the extreme when the fader's at unity.
I'd say most producers just move the DAW mixer fader down.
You can pull down the fader but your effect plugins are still gonna get hammered.

Which is nothing a post-inserts / pre-fader gain knob & meter will help with. Which is what we're discussing here.

[apoclypse]

I think you should. Like you said you are not inventing anything. That meter you are so proud about. Most DAWs already have that built into their mixer channels. You are not adding anything new. Logic, Studio One, I believe Cubase, Bitwig, all have a peak meter. You've added nothing that doesn't exist already.

if you are not blind, You can see that my meters are in the effects section
for gain staging

the meter in fader is another one, that's for mixing

OK Goodnight

You should be gainstaging with the faders at unity so those meters should show you what the signal is before you even touch the faders. If you are gainstaging after touching the faders you are doing it wrong. On top of that if it's really that big a concern, you can always just enable prefader metering.

[Reefius]

For example try to set up a compressor properly to a weak signal

In that case it's always better to fix the problem at the source. Don't try to make a bad source sound good, it is a waste of time.

Also, many 'analog modelled' plugins have a sweetspots at -12 to -18dB, so it's important to target that range to get the most out of them

That's why these kind of plugins usually have an input gain knob.

This thread reminds me of this 'pro' who's convinced that you should always leave all your faders at 0 dB while mixing: