Why did you leave Studio One?

[antic604]

Folder tracks in S1 never bothered me at all and I've used many of the DAWs on the market before settling on Studio One.

S1's attempt on Folders were bad enough for me to ditch it, Avid did need a long time to implement this but they've done it and they've done it perfectly (at least from a mixing perspective).

Routing folder tracks are just amazing, the fact that folders are represented in both project and mixer view is amazing.

You mean like this?

[Proteinshake]

You mean like this?

No, no. In Logic Pro and now PT the folder structure is literally visible inside the mixer, because they're framed and indented and you can do all the collapsing of the folders there as well, instead of having to switch back and forth in the project view.

Overall S1 always felt harder on the eyes. Too much going on at once, really.

[antic604]

You mean like this?

No, no. In Logic Pro and now PT the folder structure is literally visible inside the mixer, because they're framed and indented and you can do all the collapsing of the folders there as well, instead of having to switch back and forth in the project view.

You can collapse & unfold from console too by clicking the folder icon below the fader.

It's just not graphically visible that they're nested - that's true.

[Proteinshake]

It's just not graphically visible that they're nested - that's true.

Fortunately it's not about truth, but about being comfortable. And while I really do find a lot of good things about S1 and always considered Pro Tools as a kind of Dinosaur and worlds behind .. well I've ignored the fact that I'm myself a Dinosaur now, kind of. I missed the fixed plugin slots, I missed the analog style bussing and routing and ..

[antic604]

It's just not graphically visible that they're nested - that's true.

Fortunately it's not about truth, but about being comfortable...

Oh, you don't have to explain THAT to me. Third of my posts is about DAWs not working how I expect them to, while others are perfectly comfortable - or even prefer - the way they work

[Amberience]

Yeah but I'm in a rock-band with a real drummer. Also when I record BFD packs, I use transient detection then to make the libraries that our customers use. I don't expect everyone to have the same workflows as me, but transient detection and slicing at transients is pretty essential for all of my projects.

The Studio One transient detection isn't really up to the job. I tend to use Reaper for that.

Also editing multi-track drums in Logic is a huge waste of time. Terrible workflow.

How about trying to quantize your audio before slicing it?

I'm not quite sure of the relevance to what I said, but I don't do that because I don't want time-stretching to be done to my drum hits.

[BONES]

I am honestly amazed that people still slice loops. I thought that was something that went out of fashion 20 years ago. I used to grab drum hits from other sources but there are so many sample resources around these days that it seems totally redundant now.

[pdxindy]

I am honestly amazed that people still slice loops. I thought that was something that went out of fashion 20 years ago. I used to grab drum hits from other sources but there are so many sample resources around these days that it seems totally redundant now.

I was wondering that too. No reason why I would slice loops. I've never specifically purchased drum samples and still have so many I've not even auditioned most of them.

[Vortifex]

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[BONES]

I think that's been acknowledged, we're just wondering why it is still a thing.

[antic604]

I think that's been acknowledged, we're just wondering why it is still a thing.

I'm pretty used to you asking weird questions, but this one beats them all. It's as if you asked why people still use guitars? Or pianos? Or synths?

There's whole genres of music based on sampling, chopping & flipping of audio.

[apoclypse]

I think that's been acknowledged, we're just wondering why it is still a thing.

I'm pretty used to you asking weird questions, but this one beats them all. It's as if you asked why people still use guitars? Or pianos? Or synths?

There's whole genres of music based on sampling, chopping & flipping of audio.

I agree. Either way those who are wondering why people sample chop may be out of touch. Vocal chopping and loop chopping has been in a lot popular music over the last few years. Especially hip hop and EDM.

On top of that it makes no sense to then say well you can download a loop. Okay well if you go to Splice and download a loop there is a more than likely chance that loop is a chopped sample. How do you think they sliced the sample to create the loop?

[oneway]

I think that's been acknowledged, we're just wondering why it is still a thing.

I'm pretty used to you asking weird questions, but this one beats them all. It's as if you asked why people still use guitars? Or pianos? Or synths?

There's whole genres of music based on sampling, chopping & flipping of audio.

I agree. Either way those who are wondering why people sample chop may be out of touch. Vocal chopping and loop chopping has been in a lot popular music over the last few years. Especially hip hop and EDM.

Not even just a hip hop and EDM thing. It's more a modern-results modern-workflow kind of thing. Loops get chopped up for more reasons than the bare necessity of multitrack drum editing.

Pop, alternative, indie rock, dark pop, synth pop, country pop, R&B, and of course hip-hop and rap (which is, has been, and will be a good portion of and influence on Top 40 pop)... a producer could choose to use a loop off Splice as part of the arrangement in any of those genres. And if they want to make a couple adjustments, why would anyone do sample replacement or re-create the loop in <insert Drum Library here> when they could simply do a little time stretching and movement of audio?

Of the last 4 percussion parts I did in indie pop songs, 2 were played from the beginning in Modo Drum and Addictive Drums and the other 2 were made from moving loops around. "Still a thing" assumes such a narrow use case of time-stretching and slicing.

[BONES]

I'm pretty used to you asking weird questions, but this one beats them all. It's as if you asked why people still use guitars? Or pianos? Or synths?

The difference is that I know the answer to those questions, I do not know why anyone still chops up loops.

There's whole genres of music based on sampling, chopping & flipping of audio.

No there aren't. What there may be are tiny, insignificant sub-genres of EDM but not "whole genres of music". And the entire notion that any sub-genre is defined by the tools you use to make it absurd anyway.

On top of that it makes no sense to then say well you can download a loop.

Nobody has said that. But since you bought it up, we don't download loops or chop things up to make them, we find them in other things, isolate them and use them. e.g. the sound of a tool falling onto a concrete floor and bouncing or the sound of machinery. But when it comes to drums, why cut up loops, why not just use individual samples and arrange those into your rhythms?

... a producer could choose to use a loop off Splice as part of the arrangement in any of those genres.

It could be used in anything but it seems like such a 90s thing these days.

... made from moving loops around.

The question is still "why?" It seems like an old fashioned choice, like you are only doing it because that's what you've always done.

[Trancit]

People who completely ignore this topic about slicing and mangling around with loops miss a huge creative potential with such great results one could hardly come up with on his own...
There is so much potential in advanced usage of loops (and I don´t mean messing around with just a single but many loops) with so many "happy little accidents" ... once you know how, you´ll never stop!!