DUNE 3 is now available!!

[gondii]

Here's a test.

The blurry one was Dune3 obviously.

[Cinebient]

I find Dune 3 great and it can sound almost however you want. For me its just the frequency range (and so modulation range as well) is not enough in both directions while his analog emulations goes further. But of course its a subtle thing at the end. The FX from Dune 3 are pretty nice.
At least from the few third party synths i use these days, Dune 3 still get some usage.

[e-crooner]

Here's a test. It involves (in alphabetical order) ANA 2, Dune 3, Hive 2, and Sylenth 1, all with raw Saw waves. Tell me which one is which in order. It runs twice with a different order in the second four:

Osc Test

Here's the same test run just once:

Osc Test 2

A naked saw without filter, chords, effects, etc. is kind of, um, pointless.

[gondii]

To me I can never really (if at all) tell the differences of a pure saw waves in my synths, so I don't really care about the raw oscillators. Unison is also similar enough in most cases, pretty much every synth I have does it well. I do care about the per-voice distortion/waveshaping options and the filters most. Both of them are superb in Dune3 in my opinion. And the option of increasing the quality to accommodate audio rate modulation of any parameter with any of the oscillators is a big plus. If the fx are nice that's a great bonus, but I have plenty of fx I can add outside the synth. Dune3 fx are great though, I prefer the chorus and reverb (my favourites for that blurry sound) to pretty much any other synth I've used. But in the end, what I like most about Dune3 is that, like I said before, everything just works well together. I find that my patches always end up feeling very musical and cohesive and a tad bit 'magical'.

I prefer the workflow in other synths though and the arp/sequencer is not that great either. Also I'm missing the macros.

[AnX]

Here's a test. It involves (in alphabetical order) ANA 2, Dune 3, Hive 2, and Sylenth 1, all with raw Saw waves. Tell me which one is which in order. It runs twice with a different order in the second four:

Osc Test

Here's the same test run just once:

Osc Test 2

A naked saw without filter, chords, effects, etc. is kind of, um, pointless.

well, that was kinda what the gist was for the last few pages.... apparently they are too "insert vague description" for his liking....

[e-crooner]

I think the 4th saw in the Test 1 file is Sylenth1.

[Teksonik]

A naked saw without filter, chords, effects, etc. is kind of, um, pointless.

Not when it's in response to....

I'm not expecting Serum cleanliness, of course, but looks you're right - it's analog-sounding dark resonating oscillators.

I'm pretty sure it's the specific character in Dune oscillators design

I agree, it kind of lacks definition.

[Teksonik]

I think the 4th saw in the Test 1 file is Sylenth1.

No that's incorrect.

My point is the difference in the raw Oscs is almost imperceptible. The only difference in the test file is I didn't spend all day level matching them perfectly so there is a slight difference in volume.

I doubt anyone will get it right and if I didn't know which was which I wouldn't be able to tell either.

So if there is indeed something about Dune 3's Oscillators then it's the same for all four synths.

But of course it's what you can do with those raw Oscs that defines the difference in the sound of the four synths. That's why I own all four because the end results can be sufficiently different to justify owning them all....

[e-crooner]

A naked saw without filter, chords, effects, etc. is kind of, um, pointless.

Not when it's in response to....

I'm not expecting Serum cleanliness, of course, but looks you're right - it's analog-sounding dark resonating oscillators.

I'm pretty sure it's the specific character in Dune oscillators design

I agree, it kind of lacks definition.

Well, the other aspects can destroy the definition a single saw might still have.

[e-crooner]

I think the 4th saw in the Test 1 file is Sylenth1.

No that's incorrect.

My point is the difference in the raw Oscs is almost imperceptible. The only difference in the test file is I didn't spend all day level matching them perfectly so there is a slight difference in volume.

I doubt anyone will get it right and if I didn't know which was which I wouldn't be able to tell either.

So if there is indeed something about Dune 3's Oscillators then it's the same for all four synths.

But of course it's what you can do with those raw Oscs that defines the difference in the sound of the four synths. That's why I own all four because the end results can be sufficiently different to justify owning them all....

I had checked your audio in an analyzer, I think saws 2 and 4 looked like the one I got when playing the same note in Sylenth1 myself. One of them looked rather different, number 3 if I remember correctly, it had a roll-off.

[clipnotic]

I use Dune 3, Sylenth, Serum ... daily and all of them for different jobs, because they all have their strenghts and differences and I need them all for my music, because of that!

[briefcasemanx]

I feel like saw might be harder to notice a difference than square. Instead of a single saw, what happens if you use multiple oscillators together to mix up waveforms or (use the same waveform with different octaves) and play more than one note, let's say a triad up top + bass note?

Ive always thought that that maybe the way sounds are combined in the synth engine has an effect on a synths sound, but I've never actually tested that assumption. This could (if there even I'd any noticeable difference at all) be easily misconstrued as oscillator sound.

Anyway, I don't hear Dune as being dark at all. Initially I thought the presets sounded very bright and quite clear. If there's a blurry sound maybe they are talking about oscillator stacking/density, or voice unison?

[Dombaeb]

I'm not talking about a single waveform sound, in that case, the only difference from other synths is internal phase drift (Falcon oscillators, for example, don't have it until you manually modulate the phase). But in a bit more complex sounds that use a combination of filter envelopes and even humble unison Dune sound tend to become dirty, resonate, and wide. At least, for my ears.

It was a discovery for me but this is not bad. I only asked if this character can be controlled or is it a character of the synthesizer. Looks like it's a character and for a more pronounced, clean sound I will use Falcon. Thank you all for your ears

[AnX]

if it only happens when using envs and unison, of course it can be controlled

how can something with so many options have a unchangeable "character"?

its ridiculous....

[Dombaeb]

You don't read my messages carefully. I'm not going to argue, sorry. Just try it yourself or never mind.

if it only happens when using envs and unison, of course it can be controlled

how can something with so many options have a unchangeable "character"?

its ridiculous....