SampleTank X Launched - Preset Exchange Forum
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- KVRist
- 150 posts since 20 Oct, 2004
I have been looking for a dedicated place to exchange SampleTank presets, but didn't find anything. This lead me to launch www.sampletankx.com - a place where anyone can exchange there own favorite presets for SampleTank. I hope this serves as helpful for any SampleTank users!
Last edited by fdmusic on Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRist
- 55 posts since 11 Nov, 2002 from United States
This is a great idea! BTW - your link opens up with an additional comma in it which sends you to nowhere - so you may want to edit it when you get a chance. Thanks for the good work!
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- KVRist
- 36 posts since 18 Aug, 2004
You know what...... this just helped solidify my decision to purchase Sampletank. Thanks tim90g. 
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- KVRist
- 75 posts since 1 Nov, 2003 from Charlotte, NC - USA
Pardon my noob ignorance, but are these patches ST2 compatible or ST1? I'd hate to see myself or others run into issues with patches from one version not working with another. If you want to support both ST1 & ST2 I imagine you could create separate folders for each. Just a thought. And I'm sure you're already considering SS1 & SS2 as well as Studiophonix folders as well, right? I salute you for taking on such a task and making it available to us all. Please don't mistake my questions as being unappreciative in any way! I just received ST2XL several weeks ago and so far am blown away just working with the presets. I haven't even got into it deep enough to create any of my own patches (yet). I'm just assuming that these patches will only work if you have the sample set installed, is that correct? I mean if someone has ST2 L edition they would only have the "L" samples so if they download a patch that someone created with ST2 XL they may or may not have the base samples it was created with. Again ... just assuming. Okay I'll shut up now and let someone educate me! Thanks again!
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- Sonic Reality Head Chef
- 8566 posts since 11 Mar, 2002 from Florida
Compatible with ST1? No. ST2 is where it's at, particularly for presets.
Okay, to help out here, I want to make sure that you guys don't step on the wrong buttons and do anything illegal. But, this is a great idea if you stick to a few guidelines.
1. When sharing PRESETS that you made using any of the IK, SR or other native SampleTank sounds be sure that they are only these kinds of presets:
.STIP files and/or .IKMP files.
The .stip files are what are called "Child Presets"- they are variations of their parent presets that contain the samples (the .sti, sth and stw files- which btw you cannot share legally... unless they are your own samples that you recorded but I'll get into that in a second).
The .ikmp files are "Combi Patches" which are module presets that take a snap shot of whatever multichannel layers you may have put together to make a more complex sound in ST2. I've done a bunch of these for free on www.esoundz.com by the way (as well as for www.sampletank.com ).
So, again, here are is the break down of files that are ok and not ok to share:
.stip okay
.ikmp okay
.stp okay (this is a stretch preanalysis file)
.sti not okay*
.sth not okay*
.stw not okay*
* The only way it would be okay to share these files is if they are samples that were actually recorded by you or sounds that you have the rights to redistribute. That does not include sounds you imported from any Akai libraries, Wave, Aiff or other formats. In fact, even if it is a sound you "think" is in the public domain be careful. If anyone is sharing samples I'd be 100% sure you have the right to do so. The best way to do that is to be the one who sampled it in the first place! The second best thing is to get permission from the person who owns the copyright to those sounds if they are from another source. The third best thing is to just not share samples and have fun sharing tons of possible child or combi presets that can be made for ST2 (and soon Sonik Synth 2 as well).
In fact, we'll even have a preset making contest soon for either module (or both). So, have fun!
Okay, to help out here, I want to make sure that you guys don't step on the wrong buttons and do anything illegal. But, this is a great idea if you stick to a few guidelines.
1. When sharing PRESETS that you made using any of the IK, SR or other native SampleTank sounds be sure that they are only these kinds of presets:
.STIP files and/or .IKMP files.
The .stip files are what are called "Child Presets"- they are variations of their parent presets that contain the samples (the .sti, sth and stw files- which btw you cannot share legally... unless they are your own samples that you recorded but I'll get into that in a second).
The .ikmp files are "Combi Patches" which are module presets that take a snap shot of whatever multichannel layers you may have put together to make a more complex sound in ST2. I've done a bunch of these for free on www.esoundz.com by the way (as well as for www.sampletank.com ).
So, again, here are is the break down of files that are ok and not ok to share:
.stip okay
.ikmp okay
.stp okay (this is a stretch preanalysis file)
.sti not okay*
.sth not okay*
.stw not okay*
* The only way it would be okay to share these files is if they are samples that were actually recorded by you or sounds that you have the rights to redistribute. That does not include sounds you imported from any Akai libraries, Wave, Aiff or other formats. In fact, even if it is a sound you "think" is in the public domain be careful. If anyone is sharing samples I'd be 100% sure you have the right to do so. The best way to do that is to be the one who sampled it in the first place! The second best thing is to get permission from the person who owns the copyright to those sounds if they are from another source. The third best thing is to just not share samples and have fun sharing tons of possible child or combi presets that can be made for ST2 (and soon Sonik Synth 2 as well).
In fact, we'll even have a preset making contest soon for either module (or both). So, have fun!
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 150 posts since 20 Oct, 2004
Squids, thanks very much for the great breakdown of what is okay and not okay. That is very much appreciated. (You did the Combi Presets that are available for download?! They are great. Thanks for that work!) I will be sure to add these guidelines to SampleTankX.
midinut, I believe that the "Child Preset" ability is a new feature with SampleTank 2. Because of this, I planned the presets to be SampleTank 2 presets. I did not own the original SampleTank, so if you or someone else wants to educate me on any presets that could be shared for it, they will have a home at SampleTankX. As far as distinguishing between "XL" and "L" sounds, great point! I am going to think that through a little. I know if I had "L" I would hate to download a bunch of useless presets... It would help me a lot if you (or anyone else) could post great ideas like this in the Suggestions spot on SampleTankX.com. I would be more than happy to include other folders for SS1, SS2, Studiophonix, and more. Just point me in the right direction at Suggestions.
midinut, I believe that the "Child Preset" ability is a new feature with SampleTank 2. Because of this, I planned the presets to be SampleTank 2 presets. I did not own the original SampleTank, so if you or someone else wants to educate me on any presets that could be shared for it, they will have a home at SampleTankX. As far as distinguishing between "XL" and "L" sounds, great point! I am going to think that through a little. I know if I had "L" I would hate to download a bunch of useless presets... It would help me a lot if you (or anyone else) could post great ideas like this in the Suggestions spot on SampleTankX.com. I would be more than happy to include other folders for SS1, SS2, Studiophonix, and more. Just point me in the right direction at Suggestions.
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- KVRist
- 454 posts since 2 May, 2004 from somewhere behind my eyes
Great idea!
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- KVRist
- 75 posts since 1 Nov, 2003 from Charlotte, NC - USA
I'm like you ... I own ST2 but did not own ST1 (I got ST1 LE free with my Sonic Synth 1 purchase). I plan on ordering Sonik Synth 2 Upgade on Monday and will have that to work with and hopefully contribute ideas and patches for. Squids recommended to me a while back that I follow that progression (ST2 then SS2) and after this purchase next week I'm going to have to let my bank account recuperate for awhile. But with resources like those two programs I figure I'll come up for air in about six months and Studiophonix will be out by then (he keeps finding ways to tempt me and squeeze me dry ... but you gotta love him!) Squids, does one of the perks of coming to work for you include owning the entire SR library? If so, I may be willing to relocate to Hurricane Alley. It would probably be cheaper in the long run!
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- Sonic Reality Head Chef
- 8566 posts since 11 Mar, 2002 from Florida
Yeah, that is one of the perks. We're actually looking to hire one to two new people. One person we are looking for is a musician/sound designer who is pretty advanced (knowing all of the samplers deeply as well as a vast knowledge of instruments and good playing skills... plus a great ear for pitch etc.). The other is sort of an organizational person, data management of sounds and someone who is really on top of things in a sort of management assistance kind of territory. We'll be posting an ad for this soon.
Anyway, I think the idea of this is cool- the sharing of patches following the guidelines I mentioned. However, the only thing that I wonder about is the name of the site. It could be a little too close to the brand name of SampleTank. I don't know. I mean, a company wouldn't want to have anything appear to be official that was not run by them. At the very least you should put a big disclaimer saying something like "An Unofficial SampleTank User's Site" or something like that. Probably a domain like "sampletankusers.com" or "sampletankclub.com" or "sampletankxchange.com" or whatever would have been more appropriate than sampletankx.com which can almost be mistaken for an IK site. I guess. Just a thought.
But, regardless, it looks good. As long as people follow the guidelines and of course are legit users then it should be a lot of fun! You can also theoretically do patch exchanging for ST2 FREE and SS2 FREE following the same guidelines of only sharing Combis and Child presets (actually SS2 FREE can only play child patches which can be made on ST2 or SS2 full and I think ST2 FREE is the same way but they can BOTH do Combi patches galore and all for free.)
Anyway, I think the idea of this is cool- the sharing of patches following the guidelines I mentioned. However, the only thing that I wonder about is the name of the site. It could be a little too close to the brand name of SampleTank. I don't know. I mean, a company wouldn't want to have anything appear to be official that was not run by them. At the very least you should put a big disclaimer saying something like "An Unofficial SampleTank User's Site" or something like that. Probably a domain like "sampletankusers.com" or "sampletankclub.com" or "sampletankxchange.com" or whatever would have been more appropriate than sampletankx.com which can almost be mistaken for an IK site. I guess. Just a thought.
But, regardless, it looks good. As long as people follow the guidelines and of course are legit users then it should be a lot of fun! You can also theoretically do patch exchanging for ST2 FREE and SS2 FREE following the same guidelines of only sharing Combis and Child presets (actually SS2 FREE can only play child patches which can be made on ST2 or SS2 full and I think ST2 FREE is the same way but they can BOTH do Combi patches galore and all for free.)
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- KVRist
- 267 posts since 15 Apr, 2002 from Wiltshire, UK
Surely SR or IK won't bother with any action - it would be like suing their own marketing department, as it's in everybody's best interests for that site to prosper. Even if IK or SR launches it's own patch website, they've got nothing to fear, as again it'll provide more promotion for IK/SR and more patches for the end user. You did have a valid point about that extranslator guy (who as he's still running, i presume IK haven't filed any actions against). Obviously, Sampletank is a copyrighted and a trademark and has full right of way to use any action against this sort of thing, it's just that it doesn't give out a nice communal atmosphere when if anyone (even with the best intentions) parks anywhere near ST territory you start getting touchy.
Anyway, that probably come at way more harsh than it should but it sounds so silly when tim90g has gone to all this effort and may have to make changes to his site.
Well back on track, i signed up and started loading up a few of my patches (including a few sonic synth 1 STIP's), my current favourite is my emulation of Robert Sledge's (Ben Folds Five) Big Muff Bass sound. I put a superwave combi on there too, i think it'll be an acquired taste, but i like the sound of it.
One question for Squids, is that do the sounds have to be in their original folders to work universally as combi's - for i have incorporated all of my SS1 sounds into the ST2 file system - so now the 'SR Bass' sounds are in the 'Bass', would this cause problems for anyone who has the normal file structure? It just seemed silly to have multiple folders containing the same instrument types.
Anyway, that probably come at way more harsh than it should but it sounds so silly when tim90g has gone to all this effort and may have to make changes to his site.
Well back on track, i signed up and started loading up a few of my patches (including a few sonic synth 1 STIP's), my current favourite is my emulation of Robert Sledge's (Ben Folds Five) Big Muff Bass sound. I put a superwave combi on there too, i think it'll be an acquired taste, but i like the sound of it.
One question for Squids, is that do the sounds have to be in their original folders to work universally as combi's - for i have incorporated all of my SS1 sounds into the ST2 file system - so now the 'SR Bass' sounds are in the 'Bass', would this cause problems for anyone who has the normal file structure? It just seemed silly to have multiple folders containing the same instrument types.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 150 posts since 20 Oct, 2004
Squids, I appreciate the thoughts. I would be more than willing to change site name if IKM had any concerns at all with the domain name. I was not trying to get as close as I could to the real thing, just wanted something easy to remember. But, if the need did arise, no problem at all!
I just want to say again that the response has been great to this idea. I would love to hear any ideas that could make the site more useful for all, including expanding the coverage of other plug-ins. I use T-Racks and Amplitube like crazy, and wouldn't mind benefiting from the expertise of others with these too. We'll see. I'd like to get stx running smooth first. The patches that have already been posted have are really really good. Thanks!
stxadmin
I just want to say again that the response has been great to this idea. I would love to hear any ideas that could make the site more useful for all, including expanding the coverage of other plug-ins. I use T-Racks and Amplitube like crazy, and wouldn't mind benefiting from the expertise of others with these too. We'll see. I'd like to get stx running smooth first. The patches that have already been posted have are really really good. Thanks!
stxadmin
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- Sonic Reality Head Chef
- 8566 posts since 11 Mar, 2002 from Florida
There's one easy way to find out! Move some stuff around folder-wise and see if the combis still load. However, from my experience it works even if you move the sounds around in different folders. It looks for their built-in sound ID I believe.pricer wrote:One question for Squids, is that do the sounds have to be in their original folders to work universally as combi's - for i have incorporated all of my SS1 sounds into the ST2 file system - so now the 'SR Bass' sounds are in the 'Bass', would this cause problems for anyone who has the normal file structure? It just seemed silly to have multiple folders containing the same instrument types.
As to the other thing about the name, thanks TIM90g. I don't know if it will be a problem. I'll let you know if I hear otherwise. I guess it's just a question of a branding thing. The only thing signifying the difference is an X well... it's a little close. But, you've already started so... good luck with it. I do think personally that it is a nice thing to have for ST2 users. We're going to be doing it on esoundz at some point as well.