One Synth Challenge #143: Any Hardware or Emulation (Taron Wins!)

[H-man]

...just restricting myself to the most obvious limitations of the machine. Not abusing it's power, LOL.

Oh I intend to. If you didn't know there is a great re-write of the editor for mac that also has a near-full featured VST3 and AU version here:

http://byte-order.com/site/index.php/no ... yte-order/

Edit: So DAW automation, which is not that big-of-a deal as any parameter can be grouped (or not) and assigned a MIDI value anyway

[liqih]

...just restricting myself to the most obvious limitations of the machine. Not abusing it's power, LOL.

Oh I intend to. If you didn't know there is a great re-write of the editor for mac that also has a near-full featured VST3 and AU version here:

http://byte-order.com/site/index.php/no ... yte-order/

Edit: So DAW automation, which is not that big-of-a deal as any parameter can be grouped (or not) and assigned a MIDI value anyway

Very interesting. Anyway I will simply use "Nord Modular Editor v3.03.exe" from 1999 in Windows 10, (still works!)
to make a generative patch and record the audio outputs while tweaking the 4 hardware knobs.
The old skool way.

nmmicro.jpg

[H-man]

Very interesting. Anyway I will simply use "Nord Modular Editor v3.03.exe" from 1999 in Windows 10, (still works!)
to make a generative patch and record the audio outputs while tweaking the 4 hardware knobs.
The old skool way.

Nice

[Spring Goose]

Anyway, is Nord Micro Modular a supposedly allowed hardware? That's the only of the two HW synths left here, the others I sold them all! (The other I still got is CASIO VZ-8M)

why not?

The Nord Micro Modular is a DSP software on dedicated hardware, and not an emulation of any other hardware. Therefore I wasn't sure that it could fit the "rules".

What's the difference of a digital synth or a "DSP software on dedicated hardware"?

ok, said that way: it's none.

But said that way every single synth ever made, hardware or software are allowed.

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I'm unsure why this seems so hard for people. Maybe it's because the person that made the thread put Diva in there without any qualifiers?

It seems very easy to me. The only edge case I can think of that I don't have an opinion on is Nord modular and that's only because I don't know much about it.

IMO If you really have to ask just pick something else that's obvious. Arturia V Collection stuff, TAL J8, Phoscyon, Korg Collection, Fury800 are all obviously emulations of a hardware device. A virtual modular rack ecosystem or a synth with one of its 12 filters filters based kind of off a specific hardware probably isn't it, chief.

My question wasn't intended as a rhetorical question.

[H-man]

My question wasn't intended as a rhetorical question.

Well, the DSP Software part isn't quite right. The nord modular is more like a synth with no dials or buttons & switches, as those controls are all provided in software.

As per the pic above tho there are a few dials to assign to whatever you want for real-time tweaks

From init, it's a VERY open environment and subsequently a marvelous way to burn a great many hours

[photonic]

In addition to that I will use Outer Space, a clone of the Roland Space Echo RE 201 tape delay.

I asked earlier--but no response. Are tape emulations okay? I was thinking maybe not, as they can change the character of the sound from the synth. But if they are, I'm in.

Hmm ... if wow/flutter is the problem, I would have no problem not to use it. It is true, that this is a pitch modulation outside the synth. But hey, it would be easy to simulate it according the rules!
Just double the track with the same sound, and put a clear audible but very slow vibrato to the second sound. Best with a random modulation, if the synth has one. And route this second sound to any delay - you will get not the real wow/flutter, but very very close. And its legal

[doctorbob]

For tape things ... don't forget WatKat



My band used 2 of these in the 70's - one on the guitar (John Birch Tele custom) and the other on the Farfisa organ.

dB

[FrogsInPants]

Hmm ... if wow/flutter is the problem, I would have no problem not to use it. It is true, that this is a pitch modulation outside the synth. But hey, it would be easy to simulate it according the rules!
Just double the track with the same sound, and put a clear audible but very slow vibrato to the second sound. Best with a random modulation, if the synth has one. And route this second sound to any delay - you will get not the real wow/flutter, but very very close. And its legal

Interesting. What is the reason for doubling the track? I would have thought that you only need the modulated track.

If the synth doesn't have random modulation, you could randomly modulate the pitch bend input to it. I imagine some combination of periodic and random modulation would work best.

[MrKarolus]

It looks that we getting more questions than answers in this competition. Thinking that this could be a good moment to learn FM synthesis with Dexed. Always loved how natural FM synth sounds are, but never felt comfortable with FM synthesis process, it always looked like provoking head-scratching and way too hard for my capabilities to even make basic sounds. I've just listened to Jasinski's entry to OSC #74 and just can't imagine how someone can make all these sounds with FM synthesis, it's truly masterful.

[briefcasemanx]

My question wasn't intended as a rhetorical question.

I don't understand what this response means.

[photonic]

Interesting. What is the reason for doubling the track? I would have thought that you only need the modulated track...

Well, when you use the wow/flutter in a tape delay, than you are mixing the straight (tuned) sound from the synth with the detuned sound of the tape echo. This gives you the chorus-like FX.
In my version the first track delivers the straight sound and the second track the modulated and therefore detuned sound for the delay. Mix them together and you have a chorus-like sound again!

[FrogsInPants]

Well, when you use the wow/flutter in a tape delay, [...]

Gotcha. I was just thinking of recording to tape, rather than a tape delay.

[Spring Goose]

My question wasn't intended as a rhetorical question.

I don't understand what this response means.

I mean i wasn't saying something or implying something. I was merely asking a question about something i didn't know. I mean i wasn't implying that the 2 things are the same, i was just asking what the difference of the 2 things is because i didn't know.

A "rhetorical question" isn't a question per se and doesn't require answering. A "rhetorical question" says something itself rather than being a regular question requiring an answer.

There's your English lesson for today. You understand i'm not really an English teacher.

[Spring Goose]

My question wasn't intended as a rhetorical question.

Well, the DSP Software part isn't quite right. The nord modular is more like a synth with no dials or buttons & switches, as those controls are all provided in software.

As per the pic above tho there are a few dials to assign to whatever you want for real-time tweaks

From init, it's a VERY open environment and subsequently a marvelous way to burn a great many hours

thx

[IV!]

Wooooow!
I went away for 4 days to take a break from the Internet, and I did not expect such a stunning news about hardware and 7 pages of discussion that I barely mastered at one time! Unfortunately (maybe just for me), there's a lot of heated debate about gray areas here. I hope that this is not due to the fact that for someone winning is more expensive than creative torment in unique restrictions?) Again, unfortunately (perhaps not just for me), I hear a lot about the limitations of hardware synths, although the situation here pushes to encourage those who have them to use them. And I'd really like to hear tracks, for example, with the D-50 with its original attack samples, because to me it's more of a legendary D-50 synthesizer with a unique linear-arithmetic synthesis than a little PCM trickster. If the goal of this month is to hear new music with " the same awesome" synthesizers... Overall, my point of view is largely the same as TJ Shredder's:

Its very possible to creat music without drums. Get out of your comfort zone...
Any submission without drums usually gets an extra point!
Its called challenge, thats why I don‘t really understand why some want to choose a questionable candidate as synth just to redo what they always do.
We do have enough choices free or commercial...
I reflect about repairing my crackle box...; - )

Yes, we're not using one synth for everyone this month. Yes, when we did this, everything was relatively simple and clear, but now it is not so. But I urge (I emphasize, only peacefully urge) you to use this month as a challenge to yourself! Uncover your wildest sound boxes, take on the most crazy VSTis! For example, KBrown - a dizzying choice, and without presets, which is in the spirit of OSC; Digital Systemic - original and very soulful; Easy, Voltkitchen, Electrostudio ... OB-Xd, Dexed/Hexter, SQ8L... I will remind you that, for example, Cheeze Machine 2 is less functional than most of the demo list I listed, but what a month it was with it! Yes, and what kind of competition, this month no one even put $100, so what to fight for?!
Yes, if you are not tired of my "ideological speeches", I urge you to use this month as a challenge to yourself and as a sea of fun from this! I think even I would have done something decent with Diva... in any case, this is nothing new for the 143 OSC , no offense. But the opportunity to compete in the ability to compete is very rare!