Dune: mostly just EDM?

[Teksonik]

Oh I have tons of opinions, I don't automatically assume it is more correct than others.
That is just arrogant.

Then you have no convictions in your opinions. If you don't think your opinion is more correct than someone who disagrees with that opinion then your opinions need rethinking.

[Teksonik]

Do you really expect everyone to either like Dune 3 or else not post in this thread?

I just don't see the point of wasting time in a thread about a synth you don't like. But then I have a life so.......

Why can't you handle a little criticism?

I can handle legitimate criticism but nonsense based on a total lack of knowledge irritates me.

You can demo the Tal yourself, no need for me to upload anything. Either you hear the difference, or you don't.

As I thought. All talk. Easy to talk smack. Not so easy to back it up...

I have tried the Tal J-8 demo. Nice synth but I'd get bored with it in a week so decided against buying it. Plus I find Dune 3's sound preferable so yea I do hear the difference.

But you don't see me slagging Tal J-8 off as far too limited in the Tal thread because....I have a life.

Anyway I'll say no more on the subject. As always the only solid advice is to try the demo for yourself. Don't let anyone influence you in to or out of buying a synth. Only you can say what's best for your style of music and your tastes and needs.

[PatchAdamz]

Saw a demo of Dune 3, sounds nice, looks like a lot of features...but seems very or almost entirely oriented to EDM. Agree/disagree? I'm not into EDM and have more than enough such sounds elsewhere if I ever need.

Dune 3 is a very flexible synth, capable of all kinds of production.

It really can be used for any style of music.

[Jkist]

These types of discussions are freaking hilarious to me, where people say they don't like the "tone" of one synth, or X synth sounds too sterile, or whatever, blah blah blah etc etc etc.

I used to think in similar fashion, until I expanded my sound design capabilities. Now I feel like sure, maybe some synths have slightly different sonic characteristics, but in reality there is so much cross-bleed between synths that its nearly pointless to argue which one sounds .000002% better than the other.

In my opinion its far more about how inspiring a synth feels to work with, how well you jive with the workflow, how effortless the synth makes it to build whatever sound you are hearing in your head.

Preset jockeys need not apply, you boys play an entirely different game and its completely valid. You are more at the mercy of preset builders, but lucky for you guys there is absolutely no shortage of incredible presets out there, so I get it. So if this discussion is about some presets sounding more sterile than others, then we are really arguing more the taste and ability of the sound designer, rather than the synth itself.

But yeah, these threads where people bash each other back and forth, try and prove their point with sound clips, and then bash each other more...it gets tiresome. Audio is generally such a subjective thing. One man's analog wet-dream will sound bland and boring to the next guy, who gets his buzz from trance presets in Sylenth1, right? It doesn't matter either way.

But I do think that using words like "sterile and cold" to describe the entire sonic character of a workhorse software synth, ESPECIALLY one like Dune, is a bit asinine. For the most part, synths are like swiss knives. You can do SO MUCH with them, if you know what you are doing. If the synth sounds cold and sterile, that could be on you not knowing how to warm it up, rather than the synth just existing as "cold and sterile" and nothing more, whatever those words mean anyways.

[e-crooner]

I just don't see the point of wasting time in a thread about a synth you don't like. But then I have a life so.......

I can handle legitimate criticism but nonsense based on a total lack of knowledge irritates me.

As I thought. All talk. Easy to talk smack. Not so easy to back it up...

I have tried the Tal J-8 demo. Nice synth but I'd get bored with it in a week so decided against buying it. Plus I find Dune 3's sound preferable so yea I do hear the difference.

But you don't see me slagging Tal J-8 off as far too limited in the Tal thread because....I have a life.

Anyway I'll say no more on the subject. As always the only solid advice is to try the demo for yourself. Don't let anyone influence you in to or out of buying a synth. Only you can say what's best for your style of music and your tastes and needs.

Well, 80% of posts on KVR are a waste of time, but a lot of people have a lot of time these days.
"Total lack of knowledge"? When I had the demo on my computer, I demoed it a lot during that month before it expired.
And the audios here and YT videos about it confirm my own impressions.

What do you want me to record on the Tal?! I can't even try to match Dune and J8 because of SA's demo expiration mode. So what's the point of recording anything?

So, you confirm they sound different. While you prefer the Dune sound, I prefer the Tal sound. But those are not arbitrary decisions, we have sound criteria, even if we are not aware of them or can't precisely describe them.

While I like the sound of the Tal filter, I won't buy it, either, it is too limited in terms of features and still feels a bit immature.

[BONES]

I just don't see the point of wasting time in a thread about a synth you don't like. But then I have a life so.......

That's a very self-centred opinion to have. Whenever I post something, my intent is to inform others as much as it is to talk about something in which I am interested. I say "interested", not "like", because I can be interested in things that I don't necessarily like. I see these forum as a valuable resource for a community, not something for me alone.

I feel like sure, maybe some synths have slightly different sonic characteristics, but in reality there is so much cross-bleed between synths that its nearly pointless to argue which one sounds .000002% better than the other.

In my opinion its far more about how inspiring a synth feels to work with, how well you jive with the workflow, how effortless the synth makes it to build whatever sound you are hearing in your head.

x 1000!!

[zerocrossing]

Oh I have tons of opinions, I don't automatically assume it is more correct than others.
That is just arrogant.

Then you have no convictions in your opinions. If you don't think your opinion is more correct than someone who disagrees with that opinion then your opinions need rethinking.

That’s the biggest line of b.s. I’ve read here today. Being an adult means (should mean) that you’re aware of how subjective so many things are, down to the point where we even hear differently. People who spend tons of times at blisteringly loud raves seem unable to hear their Virus TI aliasing, but even my old ears can clearly hear it. It’s definitely not for me, but should I tell all the people who love it that they’re wrong? That would be stupid, no matter how much I believe it.

[zerocrossing]

These types of discussions are freaking hilarious to me, where people say they don't like the "tone" of one synth, or X synth sounds too sterile, or whatever, blah blah blah etc etc etc.

I used to think in similar fashion, until I expanded my sound design capabilities. Now I feel like sure, maybe some synths have slightly different sonic characteristics, but in reality there is so much cross-bleed between synths that its nearly pointless to argue which one sounds .000002% better than the other.

In my opinion its far more about how inspiring a synth feels to work with, how well you jive with the workflow, how effortless the synth makes it to build whatever sound you are hearing in your head.

Preset jockeys need not apply, you boys play an entirely different game and its completely valid. You are more at the mercy of preset builders, but lucky for you guys there is absolutely no shortage of incredible presets out there, so I get it. So if this discussion is about some presets sounding more sterile than others, then we are really arguing more the taste and ability of the sound designer, rather than the synth itself.

But yeah, these threads where people bash each other back and forth, try and prove their point with sound clips, and then bash each other more...it gets tiresome. Audio is generally such a subjective thing. One man's analog wet-dream will sound bland and boring to the next guy, who gets his buzz from trance presets in Sylenth1, right? It doesn't matter either way.

But I do think that using words like "sterile and cold" to describe the entire sonic character of a workhorse software synth, ESPECIALLY one like Dune, is a bit asinine. For the most part, synths are like swiss knives. You can do SO MUCH with them, if you know what you are doing. If the synth sounds cold and sterile, that could be on you not knowing how to warm it up, rather than the synth just existing as "cold and sterile" and nothing more, whatever those words mean anyways.

Well said. I remember when Serum came out. It was all the rage, and while I liked it, I initially did feel it sounded very “cold and sterile.” I bought it anyway, as I felt the wavetable editor was excellent, and I don’t think that “cold and sterile” is necessarily a bad thing, but when I had it for a while and really dug into it, I found that there were two filters (the French and German) that were in a weird “misc” category (or something... I can’t remember) but they actually seemed like decently modeled analog style filters, and with a bit of experimenting, I was able to get a very “warm and organic” sound out of it. Sounds that were definitely not evident in the presets.

Anyway, I like a buffet. Vegas style (in a nice hotel, not a crap one. ) with everything. I know some people would rather just go to an Italian restaurant, and maybe that’s all they like. That’s fine. I want variety. I like to explore. I’ll buy a synth that has a similar feature set to something I already own if I find something unique about the general character, or even an interesting interface. Of course, I know that I’m fortunate to be able to afford such exploration. It hasn’t always been like this. Many a night was spent with a Poly-800 that someone gave to me. Set it on the floor, because I had no furniture, and ran it though my digital delay pedal and into a Panasonic boom box. I loved every minute of it, though I frequently see it brought up as one of the worst synthesizers ever made. I hear demos of it and I still find something to like about that thin wheezy paraphonic DCO.

[AnX]

Oh I have tons of opinions, I don't automatically assume it is more correct than others.
That is just arrogant.

Then you have no convictions in your opinions. If you don't think your opinion is more correct than someone who disagrees with that opinion then your opinions need rethinking.

That’s the biggest line of b.s. I’ve read here today. Being an adult means (should mean) that you’re aware of how subjective so many things are, down to the point where we even hear differently. People who spend tons of times at blisteringly loud raves seem unable to hear their Virus TI aliasing, but even my old ears can clearly hear it. It’s definitely not for me, but should I tell all the people who love it that they’re wrong? That would be stupid, no matter how much I believe it.

you could tell them, and prove it with evidence, nothing wrong with that

[briefcasemanx]

I dunno, I've not super enamored with Dune 3's filters. Its hard to say why. The alpha one is pretty alright, I think I've chosen that one on most patches I've made.

[recursive one]

People who spend tons of times at blisteringly loud raves seem unable to hear their Virus TI aliasing, but even my old ears can clearly hear it. It’s definitely not for me, but should I tell all the people who love it that they’re wrong? That would be stupid, no matter how much I believe it.

Virus TI aliasing is the most beautiful aliasing I ever heard

Yep, it does alias but in my own very subjective and biased opion it's still one of the best sounding synths ever had chance to play with. Somehow they managed to integrate the imperfections of the old digital tech into a really characterful sound.

Yep, I've been to raves few times but it's not that I'm such a party animal and I don't think it might have damaged my hearing

[briefcasemanx]

Some of the old digital VA's have very interesting character despite low processing power, like the Viruses, Nord lead 2x/3, microkorg/ms2000. Most of the modern vsti synths sound kinda samey in comparison (maybe because they're getting closer to sounding like the goal of actual analog). The new vsti that stands out the most from the pack to me is Avenger, but only because it sounds awful and every sound is way too harsh and in your face.

I wonder what the programming in those old VA's was like to get them to sound quirky and unique.

[chk071]

Some of the old digital VA's have very interesting character despite low processing power, like the Viruses, Nord lead 2x/3, microkorg/ms2000.

I'd add the older Waldorf synths to that list.

[grandmasterbird]

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Some of the old digital VA's have very interesting character despite low processing power, like the Viruses, Nord lead 2x/3, microkorg/ms2000.

I'd add the older Waldorf synths to that list.
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Don’t forget the Novations!

The Supernova 2 in particular has got a lovely character to it. Despite how good modern VA synths sound I can’t see myself ever parting with it.

Had a MS2000 once, that also had a very unique character

[grandmasterbird]

Also had a Roland SH32 once... don’t know if anyone remembers those.... the filter stepped and aliased like mad but that was part of the charm