What Can Hive/Sylenth/Diva Do Uniquely?

[ghostwhistler]

This may be a silly question.

What is a workflow? I don't get this word

It's (your) "flow" of "work" (programming the synth) (how quickly (you) can/do program the synth).

I see.

The word just threw me. It sounds like management speak!

I got back into making music and everyone's using this word, and sequencers are now called DAWS, and my piddly qualificatoin in Music Technology from way back in my college days is utterly irrelevant!

[Spring Goose]

This may be a silly question.

What is a workflow? I don't get this word

It's (your) "flow" of "work" (programming the synth) (how quickly (you) can/do program the synth).

I see.

The word just threw me. It sounds like management speak!

I got back into making music and everyone's using this word, and sequencers are now called DAWS, and my piddly qualificatoin in Music Technology from way back in my college days is utterly irrelevant!

Well i don't know if i'm younger than you or just my understanding of language is different than yours, but i intuitively understood what the word "workflow" means when i heard this said "Serum best/great workflow", but anyway i'm glad that my explanation helped you.

[ghostwhistler]

Agree it's little overpriced 2021,but still this doesn't stop people to buy and use it
Workflow is line of functions or access to parameters,imagine desk with tools so on
Cheers

I like it, but i've only been tinking with the demo version. I can see why people are sceptical, the fx quality isn't super fantastic, but that's ok.

It is expensive though, but then no more than any of the others. Ten quid a month isn't the end of the world and I'm tempted.

[BBFG#]

Sequencers sequence hardware and plugins. DAWs added audio input.
"Digital Audio Workstation"
Generally, a DAW can sequence and a sequence is without or before the audio is included.

From my old days, we use to gauge "work flow" or "user friendliness" by loading it up and seeing how far we could go before having to consult the manual.

[Ploki]

To be clear, as I'm having a sernior moment, when you say "hive live" you mean using Hive to play live?

So, I purchased it. It's great. Do you know any good tutorials? I must be a masochist trying to learn this AND Diva at the same time!

so by "using it exclusively live" doesn't mean i use it exclusively for live, but that when I need synths live it's more or less exclusively Hive.

I do my sounds/playback/bass guitar/vocal processing/synths through a macbook rig and i recreated most sounds i use using Hive as close as i could get because it's so CPU friendly.

Manual to be honest. It's well written, i was reading it for a couple of nights before bed then trying the next day what i read

[BONES]

What is a workflow? I don't get this word

In this case it is how easy it is to turn your ideas into a finished patch. Things like having the most used functions readily accessible and in a logical layout, so you don't have to think about where something is or spend all your time switching from one page to another. e.g. I spend a lot of time tuning envelope modulation on my filters - adjusting how much the filter is controlled by the envelope, how much is set in the cutoff parameter and what ADSR settings work best. If the envelope is hidden behind a tab or a button and the modulation amount is controlled from a mod matrix on another part of the interface, then I'd have to go back and forth all the time, which would make it harder to get that balance exactly right. So that would be poor workflow, compared to having all of those controls on a single panel, next to one another.

Agree it's little overpriced 2021,but still this doesn't stop people to buy and use it

Which, of course, is exactly why it is still so expensive. If people did their research a bit better and found something that offered better value, sales would drop and maybe the price would come down. But he knows he doesn't have to drop the price so he doesn't.

[recursive one]

He just said one synths sounds like synths from a certain era and the other two are more like synths from decades earlier.

And I'm pointing out that what he said is bullshit, that synths from both eras sound similar enough as to not make any worthwhile difference.

So what you say is that Obsession or Legend and JP6k sound similar enough not to make any worthwhile difference.

Okay, cool

[Ploki]

What is a workflow? I don't get this word

In this case it is how easy it is to turn your ideas into a finished patch. Things lie having the most used functions readily accessible and in a logical layout, so you don't have to think about where something is or send all your time switching from one page to another. e.g. I spend a lot of time tuning envelope modulation on my filters - adjusting how much the filter is controlled by the envelope, how much is set in the cutoff parameter and what ADSR settings work best. If the envelope is hidden behind a tab or a button and the modulation amount is controlled from a mod matrix on another part of the interface, then I'd have to go back and forth all the time, which would make it harder to get that balance exactly right. So that would be poor workflow, compared to having all of those controls on a single panel, next to one another.

Agree it's little overpriced 2021,but still this doesn't stop people to buy and use it

Which, of course, is exactly why it is still so expensive. If people did their research a bit better and found something that offered better value, sales would drop and maybe the price would come down. But he knows he doesn't have to drop the price so he doesn't.

huh, i actually kinda agree with you for once.

u-he has modmatrix, and i absolutely love it. I also like plugmon's variant of mod knobs, but in Hive, i prefer mod matrix by far so i use the default skin. But that's on Hive only, since most of things are single-page anyway. In Zebra (and also Diva), I much prefer the mod rings of plugmon's skins

[kvotchin]

Is it really worth getting Hive as well?

Do you like it? Does it offer capabilities/workflow that will be useful/convenient to you?

FWIW, I see it as a very capable synth, quite flexible indeed for what it is. No doubt, with some experience behind you and some time devoted to this one, pretty impressive sounds could be made.

Personally, I’m not a fan of U-He’s synths, but that is simply down to the UI and workflow just not working for me in each case. So far. However, I wouldn’t try dissuading others from trying or buying them. Quality software, for sure.

[chk071]

Agree it's little overpriced 2021,but still this doesn't stop people to buy and use it

Which, of course, is exactly why it is still so expensive. If people did their research a bit better and found something that offered better value, sales would drop and maybe the price would come down. But he knows he doesn't have to drop the price so he doesn't.

As I mentioned, Sylenth1 still lives largely from the image it built up more than 10 years ago. Which is fine, after all people also have their hardware "heroes", like the Minimoog, or the Virus when it comes to VA. Unlike the Minimoog, Sylenth1 IMO has been exceeded quite a few times by now though. But, you're right of course, as long as people buy, there's no reason to change the price, or develop a successor. The question is, though, what it's like in 5 years from now. Software ages, when there are so many improvements in algorithms the whole time. Sylenth1 already is long in the tooth for me.

Anyway, kind of a pointless discussion. I also use stuff which has been exceeded, when I like the character, and that's the point here. TBH, after having used Spire and some other synths, I never quite got the fuss about Sylenth1 though. Yes, nice supersaw, but, for bass sounds, I definitely wouldn't use it, as there are plugins with much more beef in the low registers. Guess it was a lot more spectacular at the time it came out.

[Spring Goose]

Anyway, kind of a pointless discussion. I also use stuff which has been exceeded, when I like the character, and that's the point here. TBH, after having used Spire and some other synths, I never quite got the fuss about Sylenth1 though. Yes, nice supersaw, but, for bass sounds, I definitely wouldn't use it, as there are plugins with much more beef in the low registers. Guess it was a lot more spectacular at the time it came out.

I'm paying subscription for Sylenth1, and i'm keeping it especially for some of the bass sounds. There's 3 or 4 "moog" bass presets which i use fairly often and sound better than other similar sounds to my ears.

[chk071]

Fair enough. That's how tastes differ, I guess.

[Spring Goose]

Fair enough. That's how tastes differ, I guess.

Indeed. If everybody liked the same things would the world be a duller place?

Actually i think you're probably right on the whole. I think somebody will generally get better basses from Spire, Hive, Zebra, than Sylenth1.

[telecode]

What is a workflow? I don't get this word

In this case it is how easy it is to turn your ideas into a finished patch. Things lie having the most used functions readily accessible and in a logical layout, so you don't have to think about where something is or send all your time switching from one page to another. e.g. I spend a lot of time tuning envelope modulation on my filters - adjusting how much the filter is controlled by the envelope, how much is set in the cutoff parameter and what ADSR settings work best. If the envelope is hidden behind a tab or a button and the modulation amount is controlled from a mod matrix on another part of the interface, then I'd have to go back and forth all the time, which would make it harder to get that balance exactly right. So that would be poor workflow, compared to having all of those controls on a single panel, next to one another.

Agree it's little overpriced 2021,but still this doesn't stop people to buy and use it

Which, of course, is exactly why it is still so expensive. If people did their research a bit better and found something that offered better value, sales would drop and maybe the price would come down. But he knows he doesn't have to drop the price so he doesn't.

Good post!

FWIW. I didn't buy into the U-he sale and passed. I will wait to see what happens wit Zebra 3. I spent the past 20 days demoing their synths on and off and looking into the other synths I have and playing around with them. I demoed Hive and Zebra and even Diva. The U-he synths sound unique and warm and great, but quite frankly, I fell back in love with the workflow of FM8, Massive and Super 8. Much easier to use and much faster and better workflow. Totally different synths and different sounding -- but for me, for my needs, the sound and workflow was much better and easier and faster to get sounds that are usable to me.

The U-he stuff seems to be made by that same guy that once made a delay with 100+ parameters that no one wanted to buy because, who has hours on end to tinker with 100+ delay parameters unless you are a VST developer? The U-he synths are very warm sounding (very reminiscent of old 80s sounds to me) but IMO, really meant for VST synth geek tweakers. People that are willing and have the time to spend hours on end tweaking settings and parameters to get "the sound" they are looking for. Sound designer and synth patch designer types. That's great and all power to them. But IMO they are not meant for people that need to get a song done and completed in a quick session.

Just my 2 cents.

[Ploki]

FWIW. I didn't buy into the U-he sale and passed. I will wait to see what happens wit Zebra 3. I spent the past 20 days demoing their synths on and off and looking into the other synths I have and playing around with them. I demoed Hive and Zebra and even Diva. The U-he synths sound unique and warm and great, but quite frankly, I fell back in love with the workflow of FM8, Massive and Super 8. Much easier to use and much faster and better workflow. Totally different synths and different sounding -- but for me, for my needs, the sound and workflow was much better and easier and faster to get sounds that are usable to me.

The U-he stuff seems to be made by that same guy that once made a delay with 100+ parameters that no one wanted to buy because, who has hours on end to tinker with 100+ delay parameters unless you are a VST developer? The U-he synths are very warm sounding (very reminiscent of old 80s sounds to me) but IMO, really meant for VST synth geek tweakers. People that are willing and have the time to spend hours on end tweaking settings and parameters to get "the sound" they are looking for. Sound designer and synth patch designer types. That's great and all power to them. But IMO they are not meant for people that need to get a song done and completed in a quick session.

Just my 2 cents.

Pretty poor assessment imo. I find hive the fastest synth to make sounds bar none.
Also Zebra hive and diva are well supported by the sound designer community and they have great browsers so getting the right sounds from a preset bank is very easy.
Diva is also just an analog model, so is repro. Not sure that fits VST geek profile.
Zebra is a powerhouse and that’s been it’s strength since inception.

The only thing less fast than Hive is Nexus lol