Spire Synthesizer

[phreaque]

https://reveal-sound.com/plug-ins/spire ... e-base/167

[MuzikFreq]

https://reveal-sound.com/plug-ins/spire ... e-base/167

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[kenny saunders]

the preset browser is nice, i can use this synth a lot more now, thanks to the dev. it really is a great synth.

The only thing i might ask for is that you can have a button to decouple the browser window from the synth itself.

[Muziksculp]

Spire surely InSpires Me

Such an Awesome sounding Synth.

[briefcasemanx]

I bought this because it's on sale. I thi k this is the most pleasing sounding of the supersynths (although I haven't tried rapid since it's not on sale). It just has a nice overall sound that takes less coaxing to get a good patch. Its not the most fully featured nor does it have the most expressive UI, but it sounds really good.

[Muziksculp]

I bought this because it's on sale. I thi k this is the most pleasing sounding of the supersynths (although I haven't tried rapid since it's not on sale). It just has a nice overall sound that takes less coaxing to get a good patch. Its not the most fully featured nor does it have the most expressive UI, but it sounds really good.

Spire, and Dune 3 are my go to, and favorite Synths. I'm not a fan of Rapid, although I have it, it does some things well, but Spire & Dune 3 are just so versatile, and sound amazing !

[v1o]

Does Spire really fit in the super synth category? It doesn't do layers or multiple synthesis types like Avenger or Rapid.

[Jkist]

I would say no, its not a "workstation" synth at all. But it does do some things very well indeed. But yes, very limited in comparison to synths like Rapid or Dune IMO.

[recursive one]

I think dune and spire are comparable in terms of features. Spire doesn't have global unison or layers but has more oscillator types.

For me "supersynths" are something like Zebra, Falcon or Phaseplant, with at least some modularity, free routing, oscillator effects, multiple synthesis types. Dune, Rapid or Spire don't belong to this category (which is good, i prefer synths with more focused workflow and distinctive sound character, like these three).

I agree that Spire is one of the nicest sounding synths out there.

[BONES]

I think those synths all qualify. DUNE, for example, has three different form of synthesis available and completely free routing via its mod matrix. It feels more like a "supersynth" to me than PhasePlant.

[recursive one]

DUNE, for example, has three different form of synthesis available and completely free routing via its mod matrix.

Yes, you can use oscicllators as modulation sources which open up some interesting possibilities (Spire can do that too btw, although not at audio rate) but it's not really "completely free" routing as you say. You are still limited to 3 osc per a layer (2 full blown and one crippled) and can't cross-modulate layers, you can't insert a filter into the modulation path etc.

I don't really uderstand what people call "supersynths" tho. It seems that some say "supersynth" whenever they hear the presets massively layered, arpeggiated and drenched in effects (which can be found even in Sylenth lol)

[Jkist]

DUNE, for example, has three different form of synthesis available and completely free routing via its mod matrix.

Yes, you can use oscicllators as modulation sources which open up some interesting possibilities (Spire can do that too btw, although not at audio rate) but it's not really "completely free" routing as you say. You are still limited to 3 osc per a layer (2 full blown and one crippled) and can't cross-modulate layers, you can't insert a filter into the modulation path etc.

I don't really uderstand what people call "supersynths" tho. It seems that some say "supersynth" whenever they hear the presets massively layered, arpeggiated and drenched in effects (which can be found even in Sylenth lol)

Dune is super because of the 8 different pages of oscillators you can have running all at once, plus the ability to send to two different FX channels, as well as MSEGs and much more advanced arp capabilities.

Spire is great, but it doesn't have too many crazy features like that IMO.

[recursive one]

Dune is super because of the 8 different pages of oscillators you can have running all at once, plus the ability to send to two different FX channels

That's something I prefer doing in the DAW most of the time (layering, using insert and send FX and such). I never understood what's the point of layering within one synth instance other than making "imperssive" one finger wonder presets which are not very useful in actual tracks.

as well as MSEGs

Spire has steppers which are also a kind of a "mseg". Also the basic envelopes have more stages and you have 4 of them.

much more advanced arp capabilities.

more advanced in what way?

[Jkist]

Dune is super because of the 8 different pages of oscillators you can have running all at once, plus the ability to send to two different FX channels

That's something I prefer doing in the DAW most of the time (layering, using insert and send FX and such). I never understood what's the point of layering within one synth instance other than making "imperssive" one finger wonder presets which are not very useful in actual tracks.

as well as MSEGs

Spire has steppers which are also a kind of a "mseg". Also the basic envelopes have more stages and you have 4 of them.

much more advanced arp capabilities.

more advanced in what way?

As far as the multiple pages thing, its incredibly useful for things like pads. You can add a lot of subtle textures and layers and mix it all within the synth, which makes so much sense, because I wouldnt want a single pad using like 8 tracks within my DAW, that seems silly. So keep it all in Dune and even route to different FX chains to add even more sonic interest.

As for the steppers, I still prefer the power and versatility of the MSEGs over Spire's steppers, and I think most would agree with me.

As for the arp, I'm not in front of my computer, so I dont remember everything, but I just remember feeling like working with the dune arp felt much easier to get results I wanted. I do know it supports midi sequences, and Spire does not.

[recursive one]

As far as the multiple pages thing, its incredibly useful for things like pads. You can add a lot of subtle textures and layers and mix it all within the synth, which makes so much sense, because I wouldnt want a single pad using like 8 tracks within my DAW, that seems silly. So keep it all in Dune and even route to different FX chains to add even more sonic interest.

As for the steppers, I still prefer the power and versatility of the MSEGs over Spire's steppers, and I think most would agree with me.

As for the arp, I'm not in front of my computer, so I dont remember everything, but I just remember feeling like working with the dune arp felt much easier to get results I wanted. I do know it supports midi sequences, and Spire does not.

Well, different people may prefer different workflow. For me, most of the layering/arp functionality in Dune just duplicates basic DAW functions (same for Rapid). I do sometimes make complex layered sounds, pads and the like, but in such case I'll rather use different synths for different layers and process them separately with external effects (not 8 tracks though, that would be an overkill unless your track only constits of that pad).

I'm always more interested in the actual synthesis/modulation options provided by a synth and here I think Spire and Dune are more or less on par.

IMO all that layering stuff makes more sense for preset designers who sell commercial packs.