Protools.. the worst midi editor on the plannet!!!

[Kinh]

There is no competition here, protools wins the trophy for the worst.
Drawing notes, erasing notes, moving notes , duplicating, zooming in, quantizing, even clicking on the midi clip wont even take you to where the freaking cursor is!. On top of all that you have all sorts of issues with your midi device making duplicates of every note and of course crashes. One of the oldest daws with the most basic midi editor.
Nothing is perfect, but this is so shit that you literally cant use it!

[antic604]

There is no competition here, protools wins the trophy for the worst.

That's why I've decided against trying the free ProTools First, because the videos I saw were pretty bad and for me 90% of my workflow is MIDI.

Not sure if it's "the worst", but probably fiercely competes for this title

[pixel85]

There is no competition here, protools wins the trophy for the worst.

That's why I've decided against trying the free ProTools First, because the videos I saw were pretty bad and for me 90% of my workflow is MIDI.

Not sure if it's "the worst", but probably fiercely competes for this title

PT First... Oh my I tried it. After installation, registering account etc. I got completely empty login window when I was trying to open it
Then when I was trying to find solution, googling it revealed what kind of bug fest of app it is. Complete failure

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On topic: first of all, lack of full midi window and working with midi onthe track (in-place) is absolutely awful.
I'll never forget my first contact with PT in college after years working with other DAWs. I felt like I travelled in time back to early 90s
It amaze me that some folks are doing whole orchestral compositions in PT :O

[mike_the_ranger]

It amaze me that some folks are doing whole orchestral compositions in PT :O

I have to say that I don't have issues with the PT MIDI handling. It's all a matter of how used you get to it. And a big point (that's why I quoted you) is that "we" usually play in our MIDI stuff instead of clicking it together

[pixel85]

It amaze me that some folks are doing whole orchestral compositions in PT :O

I have to say that I don't have issues with the PT MIDI handling. It's all a matter of how used you get to it. And a big point (that's why I quoted you) is that "we" usually play in our MIDI stuff instead of clicking it together

Yep, this is why I can't leave Cubase anymore But PT really has the least efficient midi implementation in the whole DAW world. It's like using MS Paint as an equivalent of Photoshop

[fmr]

It amaze me that some folks are doing whole orchestral compositions in PT :O

I have to say that I don't have issues with the PT MIDI handling. It's all a matter of how used you get to it. And a big point (that's why I quoted you) is that "we" usually play in our MIDI stuff instead of clicking it together

Yep, this is why I can't leave Cubase anymore But PT really has the least efficient midi implementation in the whole DAW world. It's like using MS Paint as an equivalent of Photoshop

MIDI in Pro Tools is an after thought. It was only implemented after the dismissal of Opcode, by the hand of several ex-Opcode programmers (notably Dave Openheim himself). But it will always be like a grafting in an already existing plant, IMO. It remains strange up to this day (i recently installed the latest Pro Tools in a computer of a friend, and was amazed how "primitive" the MIDI handling is, when compared with Cubase, for example)

[Dons_Gear]

Pro tools midi stinks

[Sindikhate]

There is no competition here, protools wins the trophy for the worst.

That's why I've decided against trying the free ProTools First, because the videos I saw were pretty bad and for me 90% of my workflow is MIDI.

Not sure if it's "the worst", but probably fiercely competes for this title

PT First... Oh my I tried it. After installation, registering account etc. I got completely empty login window when I was trying to open it
Then when I was trying to find solution, googling it revealed what kind of bug fest of app it is. Complete failure

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On topic: first of all, lack of full midi window and working with midi onthe track (in-place) is absolutely awful.
I'll never forget my first contact with PT in college after years working with other DAWs. I felt like I travelled in time back to early 90s
It amaze me that some folks are doing whole orchestral compositions in PT :O

What do you mean lack of full midi window?

[Sindikhate]

There is no competition here, protools wins the trophy for the worst.
Drawing notes, erasing notes, moving notes , duplicating, zooming in, quantizing, even clicking on the midi clip wont even take you to where the freaking cursor is!. On top of all that you have all sorts of issues with your midi device making duplicates of every note and of course crashes. One of the oldest daws with the most basic midi editor.
Nothing is perfect, but this is so shit that you literally cant use it!

I had numerous problems with Pro Tools when it was my main daw midi was never one of them.

[pixel85]

There is no competition here, protools wins the trophy for the worst.

That's why I've decided against trying the free ProTools First, because the videos I saw were pretty bad and for me 90% of my workflow is MIDI.

Not sure if it's "the worst", but probably fiercely competes for this title

PT First... Oh my I tried it. After installation, registering account etc. I got completely empty login window when I was trying to open it
Then when I was trying to find solution, googling it revealed what kind of bug fest of app it is. Complete failure

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On topic: first of all, lack of full midi window and working with midi onthe track (in-place) is absolutely awful.
I'll never forget my first contact with PT in college after years working with other DAWs. I felt like I travelled in time back to early 90s
It amaze me that some folks are doing whole orchestral compositions in PT :O

What do you mean lack of full midi window?

Seriously I don't remember any option to open full window. It was more like on the picture below which is from an article about missing PT features in 12.8 (but it's about First, not the full version that I used). Maybe I was lucky to work on PT version with a bug? Or maybe I have very selective eyesight

[Trensharo]

It doesn't matter. Pro Tools is like Samplitude Pro X (which does have better MIDI, IMO) or ACID Pro. These DAWs bias heavily to Audio and therefore you should factor in how that impacts your workflow when considering them. I would do almost everything in Audio if I were using Pro Tools or Samplitude, and definitely ACID Pro. Even if I started with MIDI, I'd go to Audio ASAP and finish everything that way.

This is not an issue. It's just a different way of working. Many people who use Pro Tools or Samplitude to produce Electronic or Pop Music, etc. work this way, and their music is just as good - and they are just as productive.

IMO, keeping everything MIDI is often a waste of system resources, anyways.

That being said, Pro Tools has a Voice-based audio channel system, and it ships with a low count of voices. The Standard Edition Pro Tools DAW is reasonably priced at $599, except it ship with only 128 Voices @ 49k (64 @ 96k). This is very low, especially compared to DAWs that have a track based system with a limit. For example, Samplitude Pro X has a Track Based system, but the Track Limit is 999. Practically unlimited unless you're trying to run some insane orchestral template in it. Many DAWs have unlimited tracks (limited only by hardware capabilities).

You also have to keep in mind that 1 Voice = 1 MONO Audio Channel in Pro Tools. Sterio = 2 Voices. 5.1 = 6 Voices. 7.1 = 8 Voices. So, how far that gets depends heavily on the type of music you're producing, what sample rate your recording/working at, etc. Personally, I'd need to upgrade to 250 Voices, at a minimum, at purchase. I would hit 128 pretty easily.

This is going to drive the price of Pro Tools up pretty quickly, especially if you produce EDM or Pop Music. The 128 Voice Pack is $14.99 Subscription (with Annual Commitment). Perpetual Prices are locked behind a support contact, but I'd expect it to cost around $200 Perpetual. Once you hit the Voice Limit in Pro Tools, you're likely locked in (and have already paid $600 for the base DAW), so Avid starts raiding your wallet with these extensions.

On a Windows system, I would definitely consider something like Samplitude Pro X over Pro Tools if you want a DAW with a heavy bias to Recording/Editing/Mixing Audio.

[cryophonik]

I sold my PT license years ago just before they went subscription, but I never found the MIDI to be anywhere near as bad as people would complain that it is (yes, my music is heavily MIDI-based). True, it doesn't have all the MIDI features that other DAWs have and its support for external MIDI devices is not as advanced, but it DOES have a dedicated MIDI window and all the basics that you'd need to compose entirely in MIDI. In some ways, I sometimes preferred working with it because it was so straightforward. But, yeah, I also agree that it's not going to win any awards for its MIDI capabilities.

[jonljacobi]

It was never intended for MIDI finger painting. Just fixing the occasional issue with an imported track or perfromance.

[excuse me please]

Exactly! PT was intended for geezers who still have a crush on Natalie Imbruglia.

[Kinh]

This is the weirdest thing, PT 8 midi editor was better that PT12. That was before they decided to do clips. It's the clips that f#cked it up with workflow.