Tal J-8

[EvilDragon]

Great!

Would love to know what sound quality improvements specifically, though

[perpetual3]

Great!

Would love to know what sound quality improvements specifically, though

Me too!

[perpetual3]

TAL mod is 3 OSC, dual filter topology.

[[nx]]

What are the sonic differences between this and TAL MOD? Are they similar in terms of their overall tone?

I've done a little back and forth between the two and I don't notice a super dramatic difference between them tonally. I can still hear a difference between them though and it is more noticeable as you starting playing with the filters and resonance. (I should note, I was just testing simple variations of detuned saws)

For me, the two of them just offer different workflows which will naturally lend to different results. Once you you really start pushing the distinct options the two have, the overlap diminishes. But for bread and butter sounds the difference is more subtle, at least to my ears.

[crickey13]

Thanks. I am not that obsessed with the Jupiter sound, so I guess I will pass for the time being. And I agree about different interfaces and thus, different workflows lending themselves to different results, which might be the reason why I am still going to get it at some indeterminate point in the future, I'm in no hurry though.

[zvenx]

Great!

Would love to know what sound quality improvements specifically, though

Me too!

Me three
rsp

[suthnear]

They are still bug with delay times?
What do you mean?
rsp

In sync mode, the dotted value is always for the shorter division before it. E.g. with time at extreme left, it goes: 1/16, 1/16T, 1/8. (should be 1/16.), 1/8, 1/8T, 1/4. (should be 1/8.), etc. It's just a display issue. The division order is correct

[zvenx]

Oh so it is how they are arranged not that they give incorrect results?

Also i am not sure i agree with you. Isn't a dotted note longer in value than a note and a triplet shorter in value than the note?

So in terms of increasing times, I would expect dotted note, note, triplet note.

Which is exactly how J-8 has it (so too does tkdelay,h-delay)

Rsp

[zvenx]

Great!

Would love to know what sound quality improvements specifically, though

Me too!

Me three
rsp

So I sent off an email to Patrick.
I updated one on one computer and left the other at 1.2.5 and exported four small mini projects.

They do sound different.
In all cases I prefer the 1.2.6 version.
But that they sound different probably will end up an issue for many.

Probably today my computer is having a great day but in almost all the dual/split patches I tried (which were the ones I found most cpu intensive), cubendo's asio loader is showing almost 50% in many/most cases.....surely it couldn't be that much optimization?

Have others tried 1.2.6?
rsp

[suthnear]

Oh so it is how they are arranged not that they give incorrect results?

Also i am not sure i agree with you. Isn't a dotted note longer in value than a note and a triplet shorter in value than the note?

So in terms of increasing times, I would expect dotted note, note, triplet note.

Which is exactly how J-8 has it (so too does tkdelay,h-delay)

Rsp

A dotted note is the length of a note plus half again (i.e. one and half times in length). So you would expect to find it between a 16th note and an 8th note (half way between them, in fact). However it is missing in the display because a dotted eight note is in its place. The dotted eighth note should be between the eighth and quarter notes, but there we find the dotted quarter note instead.

And yes, if you are going by length the triplet should be before the note (since it's 2/3rds of the note length). So it should go 16T - 16 - 16. - 8T - 8 - 8. etc

[Captain]

Regarding the delay: Just noticed this now, but looks like there’s indeed a bug, J-8 shows wrong note values in the display. For example, 1/4 dotted actually sounds like 1/8 dotted.

Also i am not sure i agree with you. Isn't a dotted note longer in value than a note and a triplet shorter in value than the note?

So in terms of increasing times, I would expect dotted note, note, triplet note.

Yep, so if times are increasing, it’s exactly the other way around (triplet-plain-dotted), but that’s probably what you meant.

[EvilDragon]

If you wanna sort things by actual proper duration, it goes like this (going from whole note down to 64th note):

1/1
1/2 D
1/1 T
1/2
1/4 D
1/2 T
1/4
1/8 D
1/4 T
1/8
1/16 D
1/8 T
1/16
1/32 D
1/16 T
1/32
1/64 D
1/32 T
1/64

[zvenx]

Oh so it is how they are arranged not that they give incorrect results?

Also i am not sure i agree with you. Isn't a dotted note longer in value than a note and a triplet shorter in value than the note?

So in terms of increasing times, I would expect dotted note, note, triplet note.

Which is exactly how J-8 has it (so too does tkdelay,h-delay)

Rsp

A dotted note is the length of a note plus half again (i.e. one and half times in length). So you would expect to find it between a 16th note and an 8th note (half way between them, in fact). However it is missing in the display because a dotted eight note is in its place. The dotted eighth note should be between the eighth and quarter notes, but there we find the dotted quarter note instead.

And yes, if you are going by length the triplet should be before the note (since it's 2/3rds of the note length). So it should go 16T - 16 - 16. - 8T - 8 - 8. etc

Your theory of notes are of course correct, but for organizational purposes, I understand why he went that way (and from my examples others did too) and I at least prefer it that way...
rsp

[zvenx]

If you wanna sort things by actual proper duration, it goes like this (going from whole note down to 64th note):

1/1
1/2 D
1/1 T
1/2
1/4 D
1/2 T
1/4
1/8 D
1/4 T
1/8
1/16 D
1/8 T
1/16
1/32 D
1/16 T
1/32
1/64 D
1/32 T
1/64

Exactly and organizational wise that can become a mess.
rsp

[zvenx]

Regarding the delay: Just noticed this now, but looks like there’s indeed a bug, J-8 shows wrong note values in the display. For example, 1/4 dotted actually sounds like 1/8 dotted.

Also i am not sure i agree with you. Isn't a dotted note longer in value than a note and a triplet shorter in value than the note?

So in terms of increasing times, I would expect dotted note, note, triplet note.

Yep, so if times are increasing, it’s exactly the other way around (triplet-plain-dotted), but that’s probably what you meant.

sorry yes. that is what I meant.

With the bug did you have spread dead center?
rsp