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briefcasemanx · Post by **briefcasemanx** » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:11 pm

So Reason is going the subscription route (20 euro per month) and getting rid of Reason Suite and Reason Intro. Suite users will not have any real upgrade path, instead they will pay extra money for a downgraded license when Reason 12 comes out.

https://www.reasonstudios.com/blog/intr ... eason-plus

I'm posting this in the "instruments" because almost half of Reason users use the plugin instead of the DAW. This change affects plugin users the most. If you want to talk about how upgrading to 12 will get you a few new DAW features, you should go to the DAW forum for that discussion.

tylerdedera · Post by **tylerdedera** » Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:15 pm

Is this like a rent to own kind of subscription, or a pay just to use it type of subscription? I’ve been searching their site and it all seems kind of confusing... if you rent it for however many months is equal to just buying the license, do you eventually get a perpetual license??

FotoxBr · Post by **FotoxBr** » Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:25 pm

20 Euro, very unreasonable. I bought Reason Intro some time ago just for the Rack-plugin and Friktion. I am afraid that will be enough of Reason for me

Adobe, Bitwig, Roland Cloud. It all becomes a bit too much for me. They promise to make seperate purchases still possible. But I guess it will be a matter of time till ... etc. I am only interested in the high resolution version of the Rack plugin with the Intro pack of instruments. I hope I can do that upgrade for a reasonable price.

briefcasemanx · Post by **briefcasemanx** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:03 am

tylerdedera wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:15 pm Is this like a rent to own kind of subscription, or a pay just to use it type of subscription? I’ve been searching their site and it all seems kind of confusing... if you rent it for however many months is equal to just buying the license, do you eventually get a perpetual license??

Not rent to own, just rent. Once you stop paying monthly you lose it.

You can still buy the standard version of Reason with a perpetual license but their Reason Suite customers (they're top, highest paying customers!) are completely hosed as far as upgrade path.

Noumena · Post by **Noumena** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:07 am

it feels like they are toast.

Greenstorm33 · Post by **Greenstorm33** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:15 am

Wow, Intro was around for all of one version. When I bought it I thought it was safe to assume that I'd be offered a reasonably priced upgrade to a comparable package when new versions of Reason were released. Apparently not. It's a total middle finger to their RE devs too because now there's no cheap way to buy into the RE ecosystem and use it in other DAWs.

db3 · Post by **db3** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:46 am

Yep, they just shafted all their new intro customers gained with the rack.

briefcasemanx · Post by **briefcasemanx** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:24 am

Oh yeah I didn't think about the upgrade path of intro users. They decided to torch both intro AND suite users, AND RE developers. Completely insane.

The janky codemeter crap is bad enough but it seems they just keep on adding insult to injury.

Razzia · Post by **Razzia** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:28 am

Oh look, Reason treating customers poorly. Who knew.

Story time... A while back I bought Europa from plugin boutique. When I went to redeem it on reason’s website I couldn’t because, unknown to me it had been discontinued. The support guy eventually got me a serial number, but I said to him, hey I just spent nearly $100 on this dead product that you just released as a VST less than two years ago, and it’s included in your $100 reason intro. Can you at least offer me an upgrade path to reason intro?

He said no upgrade path. I said, cool, never buying from this company again. Technically I got what I paid for but I thought it was a classless move to let third parties continue selling a product that can’t even be redeemed for a serial, nor credited to your account as a product you own, especially when the vst version was basically in its infancy.

tl;dr as the great sage Nate Diaz once said, “I’m not surprised motherfuckers”

JonSolo · Post by **JonSolo** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:25 am

With Image-Line's latest move (seemingly discontinuing VST) and this...somethings up.

budweiser · Post by **budweiser** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:47 am

Nothing new under the sun, you’re still able to buy perpetual licences, upgrades, and suite users will keep their extra plugs, even when buying the 12 update, so i hardly see any problem here. By the way rason is rock solid and one can keep his version for years before upgrading...

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:51 am

thejonsolo wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:25 am With Image-Line's latest move (seemingly discontinuing VST) and this...somethings up.

Wait what? Care to elaborate more about ImageLine? Link?

wtf is happening..

mholloway · Post by **mholloway** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:10 am

Noumena wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:07 am it feels like they are toast.

Except just a week or two ago they announced that 2020 was the most successful year in Reason's entire history. So, no, they are not toast.

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:27 am

mholloway wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:10 am
Noumena wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:07 am it feels like they are toast.
Except just a week or two ago they announced that 2020 was the most successful year in Reason's entire history. So, no, they are not toast.

My upgrade from literally v2.5 to 11 is not unique and this was definitely because of the VST3 AU Reason Rack version, which is I'm sure largely responsible for their good year. They pulled me back in with the plug in version, and I'm back out with the subscription model. So time will tell, but I suspect a huge drop in revenue.

imrae · Post by **imrae** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:45 am

The thing that drew me into Reason recently was an affordable copy of Intro and some interesting third-party rack extensions.

The new Reason+ (20€/mo, no more Reason Suite!)