Reason+ = subscription model (20€ month)

[antic604]

but does that mean that every time I want to trial a new Instrument/Effect I have to start my subscription for a month to trial it?

That is a really good question..

You mean for perpetual license owners? Obviously not - it will work like it always has.

[AcrossTheSky]

I bet reason studios realized that they would have to include a serious amount of new RE to the to be ..Suite 12 for the upgrade to be
selling alright....so...
To discontinue suite was the best option in their opinion.Why give musicians too much for less...so.. to replace suite they released plus as an option...
Ridiculous that you need to be online to use it..
Wondering if suite 11 can be transferred around as being an upgrade?

I guess that they can't wait now to release the R12 with revolutionary scalable GUI..but hey... maybe just as a 125/150/200% etc.preset from a drop down menu..

...that's the only way to have have ppl coming paying for R12
plus a few useful/useless RE Inc with the update and new selection of cowbell sounds.

[DrFolder]

but does that mean that every time I want to trial a new Instrument/Effect I have to start my subscription for a month to trial it?

That is a really good question..

You mean for perpetual license owners? Obviously not - it will work like it always has.

No I mean subscribing to Reason+ automatically when you try to download a trial. The 30 day trial of an instrument or effect means a 30 day trial of Reason +.

[carlosigls]

For the simple fact that you have to subscribe to test their programs, I discard them.

[quincy]

I think, whether people like it or not, they have to accept that this is the way the world is going. Companies need steady cash flow and this is one way to do it.

No, we don't have to accept that. The world will go that way only if we allow it to happen with our money. Don't pay for it, don't support companies which force you to subscribe (which is not RS yet, but something tells me it's a matter of time). And btw. - do I understand correctly they screwed up Reason Intro owners with no upgrade path at all?

I entirely agree with you, people are welcome to vote with their wallet. Except they don't, do they?! People would much rather buy something and then complain about it than not buy it at all, which is why this forum (and many others) are full of people who have continued to buy products/upgrades and then complain about them and say "I won't ugrade again because the the company didn't do X" or "The company did Y, it's an outrage" but then bought again.

And again...and again...and again.

And so here we all are! Complaining is fun!

[antic604]

No I mean subscribing to Reason+ automatically when you try to download a trial. The 30 day trial of an instrument or effect means a 30 day trial of Reason +.

Right. Well, if you don't have a perpetual license and want to try an RE, you need to have Reason or Rack Plugin to load it into it, so you either buy a license or start a sub (free or otherwise).

[antic604]

For the simple fact that you have to subscribe to test their programs, I discard them.

They only ask for your e-mail, not CC number.

That's not unheard of for many product demos.

[ReleaseCandidate]

No I mean subscribing to Reason+ automatically when you try to download a trial. The 30 day trial of an instrument or effect means a 30 day trial of Reason +.

Right. Well, if you don't have a perpetual license and want to try an RE, you need to have Reason or Rack Plugin to load it into it, so you either buy a license or start a sub (free or otherwise).

Yes, but that's no argument. If you don't háve Reason, you could trial Reason+ to get the DAW. But it shouldn't be necessary to get a demo of a RE.

[jclosed]

Hmm... Well... I am not a heavy Reason user, far from that. But I was interested enough to have bought a license in the past. I have upgraded in the past to version 10, and was thinking to upgrade to 11 or 12 in the near future. At the same time I would invest some time in learning to use Reason a bit better. As a mostly MIDI orientated user I was also thinking about buying some effects like Quad Note Generator, PolyStep Sequencer, Drum Sequencer and so on, so I could really "dive in".

However - All that stuff is no longer available in the store, unless you do the Reason+ subscription to get that including lots of stuff I don't need. Problem is, I do not want a whole "package", I only want the stuff I am interested in. And I want to own it, not to rent it.

As I hate all subscriptions and rather have a "one buy - own forever" (some months I can afford high sums, and other months not so much) kind of deal, I decided to drop Reason and not go for updates or subscription. I mean - It's a few effects for now, but in my honest opinion I fear for the future. I have seen many company's going down the subscription path, and most times that ends not very well.

I still have the Reason 10 license on a ignition key, and can play around with Reason 10 if I want to, but I doubt that at this point I really want to spend time and energy in Reason any longer. I honestly thinking about selling my Reason license including key, because I lost my interest completely. I think there are better things to buy with my money than Reason upgrades (and I cannot buy those effects anyway).

I own Bitwig and Cubase, and was only using Reason as a "add-on" some times. I think I won't miss out very much by dropping Reason, because Bitwig is my main "experiment" platform, while Cubase is my "record, mix and produce" platform. All the time I not longer have to invest in Reason, I now can put in Bitwig (especially the grid).

Anyway - Reason Studios has lost at least my money. I am not hostile against them, because if they think they can keep their company afloat on this financial model I wish them best. Only - I do not fit in that model. That's all...

[antic604]

Yes, but that's no argument. If you don't háve Reason, you could trial Reason+ to get the DAW. But it shouldn't be necessary to get a demo of a RE.

Assuming you're completely new to Reason ecosystm - how is trying an RE via downloading 30-day Reason demo (the way it worked up until yesterday) any different from a 30-day free Reason+ sub? In both cases you needed to have a Reason Studios account, that only requires your e-mail.

[antic604]

However - All that stuff is no longer available in the store, unless you do the Reason+ subscription to get that including lots of stuff I don't need. Problem is, I do not want a whole "package", I only want the stuff I am interested in. And I want to own it, not to rent it.

Why you're lying? You can still buy it piece-by-piece if you want
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... sequencer/
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... generator/

When 12 is out, see if additional devices, features & content from 11 and 12 is worth the PERPETUAL upgrade. As a Bitwig and Cubase user you definitely should check the Rack Plugin, too.

You don't have to get into Reason+ sub AT ALL.

Also, throw away the Ignition Key and like a normal person authorise your computer...

[jclosed]

However - All that stuff is no longer available in the store, unless you do the Reason+ subscription to get that including lots of stuff I don't need. Problem is, I do not want a whole "package", I only want the stuff I am interested in. And I want to own it, not to rent it.

Why are you lying? You can still buy it piece-by-piece if you want

https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... sequencer/
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... generator/

etc...

Allright - I have searched on several pages, and they seem to have hide it very well. I could not find it, and there is no link in this page:
https://www.reasonstudios.com/en/reason ... -sequencer
There is only the message it's in Reason+, but no price or link to a sale page. So I could be excused for thinking it was not for sale. To be honest - the site is a mess at this moment. However - I stand corrected. Side question - Was polystep always that expensive? I seem to remember it was more in the €35 range. Oh well...

Anyway - It seems it's still available - for now. I do not know witch page was the mistake. The page I refer to, or the page you refer to. I still don't feel comfortable with the subscription model, and fear this is only the beginning, so I still going to drop Reason. I did not used it very much anyway.

[ReleaseCandidate]

Yes, but that's no argument. If you don't háve Reason, you could trial Reason+ to get the DAW. But it shouldn't be necessary to get a demo of a RE.

Assuming you're completely new to Reason ecosystm - how is trying an RE via downloading 30-day Reason demo (the way it worked up until yesterday) any different from a 30-day free Reason+ sub? In both cases you needed to have a Reason Studios account, that only requires your e-mail.

Yes, but we (all except you) are talking about someone already having Reason who wants to demo a RE.

[WasteLand]

However - All that stuff is no longer available in the store, unless you do the Reason+ subscription to get that including lots of stuff I don't need. Problem is, I do not want a whole "package", I only want the stuff I am interested in. And I want to own it, not to rent it.

Why you're lying? You can still buy it piece-by-piece if you want
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... sequencer/
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... generator/

When 12 is out, see if additional devices, features & content from 11 and 12 is worth the PERPETUAL upgrade. As a Bitwig and Cubase user you definitely should check the Rack Plugin, too.

You don't have to get into Reason+ sub AT ALL.

Also, throw away the Ignition Key and like a normal person authorise your computer...

yes but the site is a mess, and they stear you to reason+ in every way possible.

and yes. still normal licenses.

and it seems, didn't try it, don't want to try RE's now, have enough to discover/work with, RE's can't be demoed without reason+...

it seems to me not lying, did you see the site, yes, all is reason+, you must dive in, when you know your way, and i can get the old ways... or still the normal, perpetual way. or normal, the perpetual way.

but reason+ lies heavy on the site.

this creates confusement.

and still, reason+ offers mostly soundpacks soundpacks soundpacks soundpacks..

reason+ is the substitute for suite, because suite seemed to be confusing... users didn't know, etc. look at the blog mattias wrote..

reason+ gives more confusement & uncertainty. not strange.

[chk071]

I'm always stunned again which arguments people pull out of their wherethesundon'tshine when it comes to preaching about how bad a company's decision is, which is almost 30 years on the market now, and how their CEO's and decision makers suck, and how much of a sellout they are, even though they're a low tier company with an employee count hardly exceeding double of what u-he have...

I'd really like to see the people being so vocal about bad businessmanship here to own a business for a year, and see what it's like. Yes, you have to earn money. Yes, you have to do marketing. Yes, you have to make decisions, know the market, know what you want to cater to, and know what people are buying. I hope at least some people here will realize that this is a complete minority lament. If you want to take a look at how well such subscription systems are obviously adopted, take a look at Roland Cloud, and their offerings over the year. Or Adobe, if you want to look elsewhere, and on a much bigger scale. It doesn't matter whether or not Mr. Small Guy KVR Audio User likes it or not. The people in charge at Reason Studios are no fools, and they know where they have to head to.