Reason+ = subscription model (20€ month)

[antic604]

Allright - I have searched on several pages, and they seem to have hide it very well. I could not find it, and there is no link in this page:
https://www.reasonstudios.com/en/reason ... -sequencer

This is a product page.

You buy stuff from shop page. Link to shop is at the bottom of the front page, which is a bummer indeed (as it was at the top), but it's still there.

[carlosigls]

Allright - I have searched on several pages, and they seem to have hide it very well. I could not find it, and there is no link in this page:
https://www.reasonstudios.com/en/reason ... -sequencer

This is a product page.

You buy stuff from shop page. Link to shop is at the bottom of the front page, which is a bummer indeed (as it was at the top), but it's still there.

You don't have to be very smart to know why they hide the link to the store.

[AcrossTheSky]

is the suite 11 upgrade from reason 11 actually transferable ?? - can you see transfer option in your account ?
Or have RS added the extra REs (that are inc in the suite11) to your account for good - (cemented )?

I can see - jrrshop has it for sale - as well as audiodeluxe.
thx

[WasteLand]

is the suite 12 upgrade from reason 11 actually transferable ?? - can you see transfer option in your account ?
Or have RS added the extra REs (that are inc in the suite11) to your account for good - (cemented )?

I can see - jrrshop has it for sale - as well as audiodeluxe.
thx

i think you mean suite 11 upgrade... the RE's that are included, are tight to the suite 11 (upgrade) license. so they can be transfered. other RE's not... (still a pain in the ..)

[antic604]

You don't have to be very smart to know why they hide the link to the store.

"You don't have to be very smart" to understand a difference between business prioritising and marketing one way of getting their products to another, alternative way; from straight-up lying about there not being that 2nd alternative way at all.

[AcrossTheSky]

is the suite 12 upgrade from reason 11 actually transferable ?? - can you see transfer option in your account ?
Or have RS added the extra REs (that are inc in the suite11) to your account for good - (cemented )?

I can see - jrrshop has it for sale - as well as audiodeluxe.
thx

i think you mean suite 11 upgrade... the RE's that are included, are tight to the suite 11 (upgrade) license. so they can be transfered. other RE's not... (still a pain in the ..)

Yes Suite11
Imo - the re inc. there when it was on sale was a v good deal - in comparison to what will be available from now on..I guess its a matter of time & they'll disappear form 3rd party shops for good..

[WasteLand]

Yes Suite11
Imo - the re inc. there when it was on sale was a v good deal - in comparison to what will be available from now on..I guess its a matter of time & they'll disappear form 3rd party shops for good..

the suite was a pretty good deal, certainly now. i have thought about it a lot, before i bought it, may last year. no regrets, on the contrary. and now, even...

yes, licenses are "sold", "generated" for resellers, so they have a "stockroom", you see it more, that when a sales ends, you can still buy at sale price, before the stock runs out.

didn't look at audiodeluxe, the upgrade price at jrrshop is not the sale price, but still, especially for EU citizens (and perhaps others), a great deal me thinks. $236 with the discount jrrshop gives, for EU, about.. €200 (including PP fees, for example..).

[carlosigls]

You don't have to be very smart to know why they hide the link to the store.

"You don't have to be very smart" to understand a difference between business prioritising and marketing one way of getting their products to another, alternative way; from straight-up lying about there not being that 2nd alternative way at all.

Yes, if I understand it very well, your priority is marketing, not the opinion of your customers, who have given a shit for years.

[DJBuddhaBear]

I'm always stunned again which arguments people pull out of their wherethesundon'tshine when it comes to preaching about how bad a company's decision is, which is almost 30 years on the market now, and how their CEO's and decision makers suck, and how much of a sellout they are, even though they're a low tier company with an employee count hardly exceeding double of what u-he have...

I'd really like to see the people being so vocal about bad businessmanship here to own a business for a year, and see what it's like. Yes, you have to earn money. Yes, you have to do marketing. Yes, you have to make decisions, know the market, know what you want to cater to, and know what people are buying. I hope at least some people here will realize that this is a complete minority lament. If you want to take a look at how well such subscription systems are obviously adopted, take a look at Roland Cloud, and their offerings over the year. Or Adobe, if you want to look elsewhere, and on a much bigger scale. It doesn't matter whether or not Mr. Small Guy KVR Audio User likes it or not. The people in charge at Reason Studios are no fools, and they know where they have to head to.

I have an MBA & have run several of my own businesses over the last 25 years. Roland Cloud is not even comparable. It started as the cloud. It gives you a perpetual license after every year of subscription. It is only for plugins. A prior version did not exist before the cloud subscription. Adobe is not doing that well these days because folks are sick of subscriptions (expensive ones at that) that provide little incentives for businesses to make upgrades & new additions worth the cost. Professionals have been shifting to alternatives including the Affinity Suite, On1, Capture One, etc. Adobe had to give away XD in order to even stay competitive in the UX/UI design market that is dominated by Sketch & Figma.

In the last two years or so, Reason dropped Propellerheads, the owner/founder turned over the reigns to a young guy whose only experience is in the mobile market, then got bought by a hedge fund, & finally out of the blue, killed suite & went subscription. The + for Reason+ is a bunch of pop sample packs that most real musicians laugh at. Businesses can & do make poor decisions all the time & they fail because of it. Just because Reason has been around for 30 years doesn't mean it will last another 5.

[chk071]

I have an MBA & have run several of my own businesses over the last 25 years. Roland Cloud is not even comparable. It started as the cloud. It gives you a perpetual license after every year of subscription. It is only for plugins. A prior version did not exist before the cloud subscription.

As far as I know, the plugins started as plugout versions of the plugins you could run on Roland's System-8 hardware. AND, you can buy perpetual licenses of the plugins now.

Adobe is not doing that well these days because folks are sick of subscriptions (expensive ones at that) that provide little incentives for businesses to make upgrades & new additions worth the cost. Professionals have been shifting to alternatives including the Affinity Suite, On1, Capture One, etc.

Do you mind to post some links to official sources which say that Adobe is not doing that well? Because, if you don't have those, it's simply your word. Which isn't enough to claim that a company doesn't do well.

In the last two years or so, Reason dropped Propellerheads, the owner/founder turned over the reigns to a young guy whose only experience is in the mobile market, then got bought by a hedge fund, & finally out of the blue, killed suite & went subscription. The + for Reason+ is a bunch of pop sample packs that most real musicians laugh at. Businesses can & do make poor decisions all the time & they fail because of it. Just because Reason has been around for 30 years doesn't mean it will last another 5.

Again, that is just your opinion. There's nothing factual about it. And, with all due respect, even with your MBA (ugh), I don't really think you are competent enough to judge about a company from the distance.

But, hey, let's see. According to you, Reason Studios will probably be dead in 3 to 5 years. At least that's what it sounds like, when you talk about poor business decisions, and all that. I hope you don't mind when I approach you after that time, to see whether or not your divination has become reality.

[antic604]

You don't have to be very smart to know why they hide the link to the store.

"You don't have to be very smart" to understand a difference between business prioritising and marketing one way of getting their products to another, alternative way; from straight-up lying about there not being that 2nd alternative way at all.

Yes, if I understand it very well, your priority is marketing, not the opinion of your customers, who have given a shit for years.

No.

I can still go to the shop & buy REs I want.

I can still upgrade to 12 when it comes out, without ever touching subscription

I don't care about marketing messages - I do my own reading, interpreting & googling. I can see through the bullshit that companies try to sell. How can you live in today's world without that skill? Everyone's doing it.

Reason+ sub announcement doesn't inlfuence me at all - I don't have to use it! But I'm happy it's there for those that want it, i.e. new users, those who use Reason exclusively, those that might need it for a small project, etc.

[ReleaseCandidate]

[...] which is almost 30 years on the market now, and how their CEO's and decision makers suck, and how much of a sellout they are, even though they're a low tier company with an employee count hardly exceeding double of what u-he have...

Seems you don't know your history:
Propellerhead existed from 1994 to 2019, it's CEO and one of the founders had been Ernst Nathorst-Böös. Now it'S name is Reason Studios.

In 2017 Verdane, a private equity fund, entered.
Good text for bingo players!

Verdane will support the company’s expansion in several areas around the core product Reason, the app store-model Rack Extensions and the mobile music-making platform.
[...]
Pål Malmros, Partner at Verdane Capital Advisors. “We are excited about further strengthening Propellerhead’s leadership position in the market.”

https://verdane.com/verdane-invests-in- ... ile-focus/

June 2019: new CEO, Niklas Agevik, with 'mobile' expertise (Ericsson, some smartphone start-ups)

I see so much potential in both the company and its products. By building upon their legacy and making music making even more accessible there is a lot of room for growth. My goal is to continue building on that foundation, growing the user base of both the desktop and mobile products.
[...]
His background in mobile applications suggests that there may be more attention given to Propellerhead’s mobile platforms, including Reason Compact, Thor synth and the recently re-acquired Take and Figure apps from Allihoopa.

I can actually see why somebody would call this company a sellout

[MuzikFreq]

Again, that is just your opinion. There's nothing factual about it. And, with all due respect, even with your MBA (ugh), I don't really think you are competent enough to judge about a company from the distance.

But, hey, let's see. According to you, Reason Studios will probably be dead in 3 to 5 years. At least that's what it sounds like, when you talk about poor business decisions, and all that. I hope you don't mind when I approach you after that time, to see whether or not your divination has become reality.

Heh I thought in all honesty they were dead as I hardly heard about them till now.

[antic604]

I can actually see why somebody would call this company a sellout

How about we don't assume malicious intent and try to come up with - plausible - positive story?

https://forum.reasontalk.com/viewtopic. ... 97#p534097

[ReleaseCandidate]

I can actually see why somebody would call this company a sellout

How about we don't assume malicious intent and try to come up with - plausible - positive story?

What does 'malicious' have to do with being a 'sellout'? Their name-change and the PE investment and the new CEO mean, that Reason is (or at least want's to be) now 'serious business' and not some geeks doing what they like to do - a sellout.