The new Reason+ (20€/mo, no more Reason Suite!)

[chk071]

I dislike subs as well, but, I have no doubt that they're a successful business practice. After all, Amazon Prime or Netflix sell like hot cakes (Amazon Prime much more so recently, I think). Obviously, people are OK with such subs (after all, for power users, they give you a lot of content for a small monthly fee). So, no hard feelings towards the companies which do subs. If the people buy, it's all fair and square. Noone has to buy. That's why I don't really understand such discussions. The usual anti corporate anti economics stuff IMO.

Again, though, this is totally irrelevant here, as Reason Studios still sell perpetual licenses.

Netflix and prime are throwaway subscriptions....they are low,priced revolving content....how many time do you watch a TV show or film?

Daws are totally different...you stop paying they don’t work...you get used to the content of a Reason Sub....6 months later you cancel....all your projects are dust...

Save up...buy it and own it....that’s my advice...

Depends what you want. If you don't have a lot of money, doing the sub, and bouncing your projects when they're done might be a good option.

That's the great thing about it, isn't it? You can decide.

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I dislike subs as well, but, I have no doubt that they're a successful business practice. After all, Amazon Prime or Netflix sell like hot cakes (Amazon Prime much more so recently, I think). Obviously, people are OK with such subs (after all, for power users, they give you a lot of content for a small monthly fee). So, no hard feelings towards the companies which do subs. If the people buy, it's all fair and square. Noone has to buy. That's why I don't really understand such discussions. The usual anti corporate anti economics stuff IMO.

Again, though, this is totally irrelevant here, as Reason Studios still sell perpetual licenses.

Well, people have to buy stuff from companies, otherwise companies wouldn't exist. To share customer impressions in threads like these, devs get an impression as well, I assume. One of the main reasons KVR exists, I suppose, so I don't really get your argument.

[chk071]

Well, people have to buy stuff from companies, otherwise companies wouldn't exist. To share customer impressions in threads like these, devs get an impression as well, I assume. One of the main reasons KVR exists, I suppose, so I don't really get your argument.

That's the wrong kind of impression though. Barely 10 or 20 very vocal people posting here. What matters much more is if 1.000 or 2.000 buy or subscribe to your products.

[vurt]

I dislike subs as well, but, I have no doubt that they're a successful business practice. After all, Amazon Prime or Netflix sell like hot cakes (Amazon Prime much more so recently, I think). Obviously, people are OK with such subs (after all, for power users, they give you a lot of content for a small monthly fee). So, no hard feelings towards the companies which do subs. If the people buy, it's all fair and square. Noone has to buy. That's why I don't really understand such discussions. The usual anti corporate anti economics stuff IMO.

Again, though, this is totally irrelevant here, as Reason Studios still sell perpetual licenses.

i don't see the issue with offering subs.
that said...

i don't think netflix and such are comparable.
tv is a widespread market, not a niche market like audio.
also, you get entertainment for the whole family for 5 euro.
they have a much easier sell.

i don't see 20 as a massive expense, if for example you might use reason to write your stems, over a couple of months then cancel, mix audio elsewhere..
or some people might want to dip in for a couple of months, then in a dry spell creatively, knock it on the head, rpt till fade...
as far as i can tell, at this point, sub is an option. not the only option.

maybe they've seen an opportunity, in that not everyone wants to outlay a big lump at one point, and while some people do have a bit more home time, get some cash they wouldn't otherwise.
meaning for those with perpetual licences, the company is able to keep ticking over in uncertain times, so they can deliver 12/13 and so on...

they are a business, not a charity, they need to earn money to stay in business

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Well, people have to buy stuff from companies, otherwise companies wouldn't exist. To share customer impressions in threads like these, devs get an impression as well, I assume. One of the main reasons KVR exists, I suppose, so I don't really get your argument.

That's the wrong kind of impression though. Barely 10 or 20 very vocal people posting here. What matters much more is if 1.000 or 2.000 buy or subscribe to your products.

I don't think so; actual posters are representing a small percentage of the people that are reading posts.

[chk071]

True. So why do you think their opinions are in any way representative for the majority of users?

What matters for the company is who buys and who doesn't. Especially in a case like this, where there's a subscription option, and perpetual licenses, it will be very interesting, for the company and others, what will sell the most. Just like for Presonus with their Sphere subscription. THAT'S what matters. Not the bla on this or that forum. That's neither representative, nor relevant.

[easyrider]

I am very happy with my purchase of an upgrade from Reason 10 standard to Suite 11, which I am using as a plugin in Ableton Suite. I don’t really need any more Reason stuff at the present time (although Friction is tempting). I’ll probably continue enjoying what I have for now, as is. I’m sure compatibility will continue on my mac for some time to come!

That said, the one annoyance for me here is that the 50% discount only exists until end of April, meaning that Reason Studios expect/demand a leap of faith. I understand that I would get access to Friktion and a midi effect that doesn’t interest me, plus an upcoming synth and the Reason 12 upgrade later in the year. All of which I would then lose if I didn’t continue paying the 199 a year. So I think they are somewhat taking the p+ss with this, much as I like their software.

199 a year?

12x 19.99 =239.88

And you already have suite...so you don’t need the sub...if you want friktion just buy it...if you want v12.....just upgrade....

The sub is not meant for you....or me....

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True. So why do you think their opinions are in any way representative for the majority of users?

What matters for the company is who buys and who doesn't. Especially in a case like this, where there's a subscription option, and perpetual licenses, it will be very interesting, for the company and others, what will sell the most. Just like for Presonus with their Sphere subscription. THAT'S what matters. Not the bla on this or that forum. That's neither representative, nor relevant.

Because we put effort into it. Hey, it's hard work!

[chk071]

Admittedly, I like to discuss as well. But, I don't expect companies to act accordingly.

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@chk071

They shouldn't. I assume they already know.

[HossHuffner]

everyone under the sun is looking at the sub model and weighing the option. Dev's, producers, artists, platforms, hosts & fuggin' amazon orders. to be shocked or to have a strong reaction at this point is ridiculous multiplied by cat turds. On topic, Reason is an ass for redacting the suite tier, but if you own it, you already KNOW that they were never going to give it away anyhow. The tools on offer are invaluable to the real user, who probably has license to need, and noobs get in at $20 a month. That's fine by me, as long as REASON can R&D sweet-ass rack units.

[kmonkey]

No. It's alarming for YOU. That's a difference you should realize. Although I doubt that you are capable of that really. The fact that you consider people thinking different than you as "idiots", or telling them that they are selfish, while you are being selfish here, is tellfull really.

Look dude I am not going to apologize for something I didn't said. I said specifically he is not an idiot. If you can't read it's not my fault. And yes you are right. It's alarming for me because I am an user. The same as it isn't alarming for him.

All I wanted to say that he should have more emphaty toward disappointed people. If you think I am alone in that go keep your head in your own reality - don't have problem with that.

You are Einstein matte.

Go go go

[kmonkey]

about 3h ago there was no RE available for purchase - you mentioned -
but HEY...

NOW THEY ARE ...........so quicky they change things...

https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/brow ... os&pagex=2

Awesome. One simple question for you. Do you honestly think they would do that if people didn't bitch and moan in public?

[easyrider]

I just bought the suite upgrade...$20 each for 11 RE is a sweet deal....thought I might as well before all the suite licences suddenly disappear to encourage sub users....

[chk071]

No. It's alarming for YOU. That's a difference you should realize. Although I doubt that you are capable of that really. The fact that you consider people thinking different than you as "idiots", or telling them that they are selfish, while you are being selfish here, is tellfull really.

Look dude I am not going to apologize for something I didn't said. I said specifically he is not an idiot. If you can't read it's not my fault. And yes you are right. It's alarming for me because I am an user. The same as it isn't alarming for him.

All I wanted to say that he should have more emphaty toward disappointed people.

Talking about empathy - where's the empathy of the people constantly slagging certain companies for the users here? Where is YOUR empathy, when you claim what concerns you has to concern everyone else?

Everybody has an opinion. Please respect it in the same way we need to respect your first world rants here. Which is hard enough, TBH.