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El°HYM · Post by **El°HYM** » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:20 pm

Cheadle96 wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:14 pm I really like Black box. Just got the Neold and that adds a nice dimension. Vertigo VSM3 is really crazy. One thing i noticed about all those and a few more i have was programmed by Reimund Dratwa. Every plugin that i am surprised by was done by him. Not even realizing until i look at the credits. About to get some Fuse plugs. Thats Rays company.

Not much to add here; except maybe this:

oneshotdeal · Post by **oneshotdeal** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:49 am

He coded HG-2, the Opticom, lots of Black Rooster stuff and is the owner of Fuse??? That's a living legend right there.

Cheadle96 · Post by **Cheadle96** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:51 pm

Yep, im very tempted to buy everything he makes and have made. Yea the HG-2 is sick and the Opticom. Have both of those also. Never tried black rooster.

jens · Post by **jens** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:42 pm

Don't forget the PA Vertigo stuff...

martinjuenke · Post by **martinjuenke** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:22 pm

Hasn't Vertigo left PA and offer their own (updated and improved) stuff?
Isn't the PA Vertigo stuff therefore outdated?

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:44 am

They released two other different plugins outside PA.
I absolutely do not see how this would affect the value or usability of the PA Vertigo plugins at all...

Those others weren't coded by Ray btw.

martinjuenke · Post by **martinjuenke** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:55 am

Ah, I see! So without the magic touch of Ray these newly developed plugins are inferior. Good to know.

El°HYM · Post by **El°HYM** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:02 am

Thats a bit of a Bold statement here. The new Vertigo plugins are not inferior by any means; It is true that those were not coded by Ray, though.

chrisstiles · Post by **chrisstiles** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:44 am

El°HYM wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:02 am Thats a bit of a Bold statement here. The new Vertigo plugins are not inferior by any means; It is true that those were not coded by Ray, though.

Ray's plugins are good, but the Ircam team did a decent job on the others also. The worst thing about the PA ones are that the GUIs aren't resizeable afaict and so they get very fiddly.

El°HYM · Post by **El°HYM** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:03 pm

I am a huge supporter of Ray's Work, no Doubt. Lets just also keep in Mind that Vertigo also builds the Hardware. https://www.vertigosound.com/manufacture

And you are right PA should indeed update those old GUI's, as those are getting smaller & smaller over the Time.

martinjuenke · Post by **martinjuenke** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:33 pm

The Elysia stuff should get resizable GUIs as soon as possible!

e@rs · Post by **e@rs** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:31 pm

chrisstiles wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:44 am
El°HYM wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:02 am Thats a bit of a Bold statement here. The new Vertigo plugins are not inferior by any means; It is true that those were not coded by Ray, though.
Ray's plugins are good, but the Ircam team did a decent job on the others also. The worst thing about the PA ones are that the GUIs aren't resizeable afaict and so they get very fiddly.

The PA Vertigos ARE resizable up to 150%.

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:23 pm

martinjuenke wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:55 am Ah, I see! So without the magic touch of Ray these newly developed plugins are inferior. Good to know.

Ray himself said about the first release outside PA that he thinks they have done a good job on it...
he's not the only person in the world knowing a thing or two about his job, you know?

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:30 pm

e@rs wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:31 pm
chrisstiles wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:44 am
El°HYM wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:02 am Thats a bit of a Bold statement here. The new Vertigo plugins are not inferior by any means; It is true that those were not coded by Ray, though.
Ray's plugins are good, but the Ircam team did a decent job on the others also. The worst thing about the PA ones are that the GUIs aren't resizeable afaict and so they get very fiddly.
The PA Vertigos ARE resizable up to 150%.

What on earth???

I knew for a fact that you were talking out of your arse here - but to make extra sure I just fired the VSM up in order to check whether anything had changed in regards to this without me being aware of it although I knew that was not the case- and BOOM!!! - all of a sudden they are!!!

Coincidentally I just re-installed everything the other day - so I have no idea when they made that significant change - and without charging for it or even just advertising it? Or how else did I miss it?
What's up with that? Was Dirk abducted by aliens?

El°HYM · Post by **El°HYM** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:40 pm

e@rs wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:31 pm
chrisstiles wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:44 am
El°HYM wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:02 am Thats a bit of a Bold statement here. The new Vertigo plugins are not inferior by any means; It is true that those were not coded by Ray, though.
Ray's plugins are good, but the Ircam team did a decent job on the others also. The worst thing about the PA ones are that the GUIs aren't resizeable afaict and so they get very fiddly.
The PA Vertigos ARE resizable up to 150%.

I believe they are successively updating all of their older stuff (hopefully) as there are still quite some which are way too tiny for most modern machines.
Good to see them working on this, actually.

What are your "must-have" Plugin Alliance plugins now that they are $29 ?