DUNE 3 is now available!!

[Richard_Synapse]

There is absolutely no reason to not do a universal binary build for Mac at this point for *any* software. It's not black magic. And at some point (if its not available already) there will be a way to strip out the platform you don't need from the universal binaries if storage is a concern. They had this before in the old days of transitioning from PowerPC to Intel.

Hm I downloaded the current Reaper version (official macOS 10.15+ build, not the ARM beta version) and all plugins show up here on our M1. We haven't checked Live yet, since they explicitly state on their website that M1 is unsupported:
https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/artic ... -with-Live

Steinberg also advises against using their software on M1 at this point:
https://helpcenter.steinberg.de/hc/en-u ... patibility

So we have to focus on Logic and perhaps Reaper for now.

Edit: Please note that we don't mind building a UB for you (just PM me or email us), but this will be considered unsupported/unofficial software at this point, until the DAW situation changes.

Richard

[rezoneight]

Thanks for the update Richard. Some fun stuff to play with and Big Sur compatibility (seemed to work for me fine before but maybe areas I wasnt hitting or this just makes it official) certainly is nice.

[rezoneight]

this is why developers get OS previews, for example. and it's the developer's (for better or worse) responsibility to keep their plugins up-to-date, just how it works.

It's also the DAW developer's responsibility to keep their DAWs up to date as well.


If the DAW is not M1 compatible and the plugin is whose fault is it ?

I agree. But we're not really talking about the DAW developers here Apple of course has the advantage of insider knowledge.

[Halonmusic]

i quite like that skin

[Jazzguitar]

About the high DPI issue (occurring when using the VST3 in Win 10, with >100% DPI setting), note this has been fixed: https://forum.synapse-audio.com/viewtop ... =1&t=12986

Richard

Confirmed, there are no longer problems with VST3 and Cubase and FL Studio on Windows 10 with
> 100% DPI setting. GUI not scrambled and displaying perfectly. Thanks

The problem continues but only with Reaper 6 producing scrambled GUI that DUNE has nothing to do with and it is solved by selecting the following modes Preferences/General/Advanced UI/system settings:

Scrambled GUI:
- Unnaware(v5.32-v5.98x behavior)
-DPI ignorant (0.x-5.31 behavior)
-Aware+ignore
-Multimonitor aware + ignore
However some of these above modes are not full compliant with the correct HiDPI representation for some GUI's

The following Reaper modes have problems with more than 100% DPI setting in both Windows 10 and 7:
Right GUI displaying:
- Multimonitor aware (recommended)
- Multimonitor aware v2(experimental)
- Aware

NOTE: In any of the above system configuration options, the problem will be fully corrected by choosing HiDPI compatibility mode in the compatibility settings in the plugins window.


Carlos

[Jazzguitar]

VALUABLE post! thank you.

Your welcome, im glad it work for you.

[Teksonik]

this is why developers get OS previews, for example. and it's the developer's (for better or worse) responsibility to keep their plugins up-to-date, just how it works.

It's also the DAW developer's responsibility to keep their DAWs up to date as well.
If the DAW is not M1 compatible and the plugin is whose fault is it ?

I agree. But we're not really talking about the DAW developers here Apple of course has the advantage of insider knowledge.

Actually we were in reference to this post:

And, no offense, but you do not know when there will be Apple Silicon builds of any of the major DAWs. In all likelihood, we won't see an updated Ableton build for at least a year. S1 will certainly take longer. We are in for a fairly extended transition period. Please reconsider.

So he's asking Synapse to release and support yet another Mac version due to the fact that the DAWs he uses may not be updated for quite some time even though DUNE 3 is already M1 compatible at least to the best of my knowledge.

I don't own a Mac so don't keep up on AU, Big Sur, M1, etc, etc.....

[teilo]

And, no offense, but you do not know when there will be Apple Silicon builds of any of the major DAWs. In all likelihood, we won't see an updated Ableton build for at least a year. S1 will certainly take longer. We are in for a fairly extended transition period. Please reconsider.

So he's asking Synapse to release and support yet another Mac version due to the fact that the DAWs he uses may not be updated for quite some time even though DUNE 3 is already M1 compatible at least to the best of my knowledge.

I don't own a Mac so don't keep up on AU, Big Sur, M1, etc, etc.....

Please understand that I am NOT asking Synapse to release "yet another Mac version." Anyone who thinks that's what I'm asking for does not understand how any of this works.

I'm asking them to release one, and only one Mac version that can run natively on x86 and Apple Silicon. They have already done the work of supporting both platforms, but right now these are separate installs. I'm just asking them to release both platform's code in a single universal binary. This is not a "new version" that only supports one kind of Mac. This is both of the versions they have already released in a single universal binary package, that supports all Macs.

Why? It's a matter of the long lag between when plugins are released and when the DAWs are updated. Updating many (if not most) plugins is vastly less effort than updating a large, complex, popular DAW with an ancient codebase such as Ableton or Cubase. This is the reason Apple released Rosetta2 and UniversalBinary2, so that for the next few years, you can continue to run your x86 apps on an AS CPU.

For anyone who uses more than one DAW and has a new AS-based Mac, this is what a Universal Binary gets you:

You get to use the same plugin on all DAWs. So say if I use Logic and Ableton (which I do), and a developer decides to release separate x86 and Apple Silicon binaries, that means that I now have to decide which DAW I'm going to use that AU in. I can only choose one, because the x86 and AS versions of that plugin cannot co-exist. But if said developer releases both architectures in a single Universal Binary package, that same plugin can now be used both in AS-native DAWs, and in x86 DAWs running under Rosetta2. Full flexibility. No negatives.

Further, the same download works on ALL 64-bit Macs, regardless of processor architecture.

And that is why all the other plugin devs (to my knowledge) are releasing Universal Binaries, and why I respectfully ask Synapse to consider doing the same.

[Teksonik]

Please understand that I am NOT asking Synapse to release "yet another Mac version." Anyone who thinks that's what I'm asking for does not understand how any of this works.

No I don't understand nor do I care "how any of this works" since I don't own a Mac and never will for the reasons clearly illustrated in your posts.

I'm asking them to release one, and only one Mac version that can run natively on x86 and Apple Silicon. They have already done the work of supporting both platforms, but right now these are separate installs. I'm just asking them to release both platform's code in a single universal binary.

So you're asking Synapse to do more work because your DAWs aren't updated even though DUNE 3 is already updated ?

Updating many (if not most) plugins is vastly less effort than updating a large, complex, popular DAW with an ancient codebase such as Ableton or Cubase.

Of course a DAW is far more complex than a plugin but I'm struggling with how that is Synapse's or any small developers problem.

And that is why all the other plugin devs (to my knowledge) are releasing Universal Binaries, and why I respectfully ask Synapse to consider doing the same.

Well I hope you get what you want but keep in mind Synapse is a small developer with limited resources. I'd rather they spend those resources on other things but who knows what the future holds....

[teilo]

I'm asking them to release one, and only one Mac version that can run natively on x86 and Apple Silicon. They have already done the work of supporting both platforms, but right now these are separate installs. I'm just asking them to release both platform's code in a single universal binary.

So you're asking Synapse to do more work because your DAWs aren't updated even though DUNE 3 is already updated ?

Yes it is more work. But it is not that much more work, as reported by numerous developers. Very little in fact. It is mostly just a build setting in XCode, and a bit of testing to make sure that worked. One can argue that it's less work in the long run because you no longer have to release two separate install packages for your software.

Again, everyone else, to my knowledge (and I have a fair amount of knowledge here given that I'm tracking all known AS releases in the Hardware forum), has done this because of the obvious benefits, and how simple it was to do.

[Teksonik]

Yes it is more work. But it is not that much more work, as reported by numerous developers.

But it is more work regardless of how much or how little.

That time could be spent on making a new GUI for OBsession to fulfill the requests of other users both Mac and Win.

There is certainly no shortage of feature requests from other users so all you can do is hope your request is granted.

Oh well good luck we'll see what happens.

[fisherKing]

Yes it is more work. But it is not that much more work, as reported by numerous developers.

But it is more work regardless of how much or how little.

That time could be spent on making a new GUI for OBsession to fulfill the requests of other users both Mac and Win.

There is certainly no shortage of feature requests from other users so all you can do is hope your request is granted.

Oh well good luck we'll see what happens.

pretty simple, really; make one install for the intel code and the M1 code, as every other developer has done so far (well, everyone that has in fact created M1 code).

using a mac is like using a PC; it's a computer, runs software. we plug in a keyboard (or whatever) & make music. it's 2021, ridiculous to still be doing that 'mac vs pc' thing; both have their strengths and weaknesses. and who cares? use what you want. that part, at least, is simple enough.

[zyguli]

I really like how capable the loop finder is with sustaining sounds. Great job!

However, I find using the wave editor overall quite a bit annoying, because of how easy it is to deselect your loop selection by accident, and because of how the navigation is cumbersome as zooming with mouse wheel is very unpredictable.

My suggestions:
- please disable loop selection with the middle mouse button,
- please allow navigating with the middle mouse button held,
- please implement zoom to mouse cursor for mouse wheel zooming,
- please make it so that once a loop selection is made, changing the selection is only possible by dragging handles.

Thanks!

[rezoneight]

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There is absolutely no reason to not do a universal binary build for Mac at this point for *any* software.

i wouldnt know, I'm not a coder/dev, and I wouldn't be so rude as to tell someone how to run their business....

If you don't know don't comment.

How would it not be guesswork? At any rate an educated guess says that...

you dont know, so if you dont know, dont post...

maybe take your own advice eh, theres a good boy...unless you can point me to your high end coding achievements and insider knowledge of all things software


didnt think so...

You're hilarious man. But maybe stop projecting your lack of knowledge and insecurities onto other people. Of the two of us you're the one who said you're not a coder so take a hint and keep your fingers off the keyboard trying to respond to things you know nothing about. But I'll share this with you: someone doesn't need to have "insider knowledge of all things software" nor "high end coding achievements" to understand how universal binaries work. Richard clearly does. He already said he'd do it if someone asked but would consider it unsupported at the moment. It's also documented in the Apple dev docs as to how to achieve this miracle. All the kids are doing it. It's something even a regular coder can easily learn how to do.

[rezoneight]

this is why developers get OS previews, for example. and it's the developer's (for better or worse) responsibility to keep their plugins up-to-date, just how it works.

It's also the DAW developer's responsibility to keep their DAWs up to date as well.
If the DAW is not M1 compatible and the plugin is whose fault is it ?

I agree. But we're not really talking about the DAW developers here Apple of course has the advantage of insider knowledge.

Actually we were in reference to this post:

And, no offense, but you do not know when there will be Apple Silicon builds of any of the major DAWs. In all likelihood, we won't see an updated Ableton build for at least a year. S1 will certainly take longer. We are in for a fairly extended transition period. Please reconsider.

So he's asking Synapse to release and support yet another Mac version due to the fact that the DAWs he uses may not be updated for quite some time even though DUNE 3 is already M1 compatible at least to the best of my knowledge.

I don't own a Mac so don't keep up on AU, Big Sur, M1, etc, etc.....

He's actually not asking them for "yet another Mac version", they already have both versions and Synapse said like a page ago they'd build a universal binary for anyone if they ask but would consider it unsupported at the moment. Fair enough.