Change to Ableton's Pen Tool in Live 11

[docbot]

I don't know what they're smoking over at Ableton, but they just implemented a change in the latest beta so when using the original Pen Tool you can no longer just drag down to change the velocity of a note you just clicked in (while still holding down the mouse button).

Now you have to hold CMD to be able to change the velocity.

This is so stupid, half of the fun of ableton is how quickly you can pencil in (and delete) notes with different velocity values.

[antic604]

I don't know what they're smoking over at Ableton, but they just implemented a change in the latest beta so when using the original Pen Tool you can no longer just drag down to change the velocity of a note you just clicked in (while still holding down the mouse button).

Now you have to hold CMD to be able to change the velocity.

This is so stupid, half of the fun of ableton is how quickly you can pencil in (and delete) notes with different velocity values.

You can. There's a setting to keep the old behaviour or use the new one.

Go to 5:58 here:

[apoclypse]

I like the new behavior. Makes it so I only change velocity on purpose rather by mistake.

[docbot]

I don't know what they're smoking over at Ableton, but they just implemented a change in the latest beta so when using the original Pen Tool you can no longer just drag down to change the velocity of a note you just clicked in (while still holding down the mouse button).

Now you have to hold CMD to be able to change the velocity.

This is so stupid, half of the fun of ableton is how quickly you can pencil in (and delete) notes with different velocity values.

You can. There's a setting to keep the old behaviour or use the new one.

Go to 5:58 here:

Nope, that's exactly what doesn't work anymore. It fixes the pitch but it won't allow you to change the velocity anymore by just dragging up and down.

Ableton was the only pen that doesn't have shortcut bloat, you could work on a little track in bed just using the touchpad of your laptop, but not anymore...

[Jolaff]

I don't know what they're smoking over at Ableton, but they just implemented a change in the latest beta so when using the original Pen Tool you can no longer just drag down to change the velocity of a note you just clicked in (while still holding down the mouse button).

Now you have to hold CMD to be able to change the velocity.

This is so stupid, half of the fun of ableton is how quickly you can pencil in (and delete) notes with different velocity values.

You can. There's a setting to keep the old behaviour or use the new one.

Go to 5:58 here:

Nope, that's exactly what doesn't work anymore. It fixes the pitch but it won't allow you to change the velocity anymore by just dragging up and down.

Ableton was the only pen that doesn't have shortcut bloat, you could work on a little track in bed just using the touchpad of your laptop, but not anymore...

I'm sorry, I have complain on the beta forum that Ableton was the only DAW that we were not able to write notes without accidentally change velocity. Personally I prefer by far how it is right now.

[docbot]

I don't know what they're smoking over at Ableton, but they just implemented a change in the latest beta so when using the original Pen Tool you can no longer just drag down to change the velocity of a note you just clicked in (while still holding down the mouse button).

Now you have to hold CMD to be able to change the velocity.

This is so stupid, half of the fun of ableton is how quickly you can pencil in (and delete) notes with different velocity values.

You can. There's a setting to keep the old behaviour or use the new one.

Go to 5:58 here:

Nope, that's exactly what doesn't work anymore. It fixes the pitch but it won't allow you to change the velocity anymore by just dragging up and down.

Ableton was the only pen that doesn't have shortcut bloat, you could work on a little track in bed just using the touchpad of your laptop, but not anymore...

I'm sorry, I have complain on the beta forum that Ableton was the only DAW that we were not able to write notes without accidentally change velocity. Personally I prefer by far how it is right now.

that's exactly why I liked ableton, because it doesn't have all this daw bloat of the others. I find this change really frustrating, have been using Live forever and all of a sudden I have to press an extra key all the time. simply annoying.

[Jolaff]

I don't know what they're smoking over at Ableton, but they just implemented a change in the latest beta so when using the original Pen Tool you can no longer just drag down to change the velocity of a note you just clicked in (while still holding down the mouse button).

Now you have to hold CMD to be able to change the velocity.

This is so stupid, half of the fun of ableton is how quickly you can pencil in (and delete) notes with different velocity values.

You can. There's a setting to keep the old behaviour or use the new one.

Go to 5:58 here:

Nope, that's exactly what doesn't work anymore. It fixes the pitch but it won't allow you to change the velocity anymore by just dragging up and down.

Ableton was the only pen that doesn't have shortcut bloat, you could work on a little track in bed just using the touchpad of your laptop, but not anymore...

I'm sorry, I have complain on the beta forum that Ableton was the only DAW that we were not able to write notes without accidentally change velocity. Personally I prefer by far how it is right now.

that's exactly why I liked ableton, because it doesn't have all this daw bloat of the others. I find this change really frustrating, have been using Live forever and all of a sudden I have to press an extra key all the time. simply annoying.

Now you can do it with the "arrow tool" ...but you will have to double click each time you write a note.

[melomood]

Hopefully not too many fingers will suffer permanent tip damage from having to press a key

[thecontrolcentre]

[v1o]

Hopefully not too many fingers will suffer permanent tip damage from having to press a key

If you’re Yakuza you’re not gonna have many of those.

[melomood]

Yawhoza?

[jonljacobi]

I just installed b26 and it seems that the pen tool's velocity functionality remains the same, though at times the length seemed to snap when I didn't want it to.

To those that would cheer such a change... Ableton gives you an artist's tool capable of great refinement and expression, and adds much needed variation to the musical process, and you want to turn into a f**king rubber stamp? Seriously?

All that said, it could be rendered slightly less sensitive to mouse movement in the vertical plane and I doubt anyone would notice or care. Best of both worlds.

[Jolaff]

To those that would cheer such a change... Ableton gives you an artist's tool capable of great refinement and expression, and adds much needed variation to the musical process, and you want to turn into a f**king rubber stamp? Seriously?

When doing nothing, my left hand always rest over my keyboard ...thumb ready over CMD key (because most keyboard short cut use CMD)... that's not a big deal for me to apply a down force with my thumb to change velocity ...if I need to let the artist in me get crazy...

[jonljacobi]

Not everyone works the same way. What about Windows users with the CTRL key in a completely different location? What about those that really like it the way it is? As I said, making the routine a little less sensitive to movement would be a better solution. I don't care about a couple of degrees of velocity, and I love the way it works now, but if some do want constant velocity, then that would do the trick.

[dstep404]

The things we complain about. It’s a key press.