Cherry Audio Releases Polymode Synthesizer Plugin!

[Arashi]

We've created a new, short video that explains the unusual architecture of the Polymoog, and the Polymode Synthesizer. It's well worth watching this to understand all the cool and unusual timbres and textures you can create with this instrument.

Thanks…that was really useful.

[plexuss]

In their defense (sort of) I think we’re asking for a fundamental change in all 3 of these synths. Do I understand they ported the sound engine of these from VM, and the aliasing issue was there? For $30 I think we’re expecting too much.

Agreed. And, lets hear some music productions from those of you whining about aliasing to actually hear how bad you think it sounds. I use lots of synths and effects that alias or claim to alias and they sound fine in the context of a mixed track. I have yet to hear real-world examples of why said aliasing is so bad. Think of all the commecial productions that use aliasing digital tools as well. Let's hear some real life in context observable evidence that makes this so critical to people.

[midi_transmission]

Why don't you guys fix the aliasing osc sync issue in arp 2600 ??

This thread is about Polymode and your question is best handled by a support email.

But Support knows and it hasn’t been handled.

That's also my top issue with CA, seems not to be much interested in maintenance or enhancement of existing products. At least that's unfortunately my impression from my limited experience. Still like their stuff a lot, but that has stopped me getting more products from them currently.

There is more to a plugin business than jumping through hoops for customers. You have to look at their track record and judge accordingly. This sense of entitlement is unfortunate. I wouldn't survive as a plugin dev because I;d tell customers like you to get stuffed. Cherry fixes their software. They also prioritize taking into account the big picture. Your specific priorities may not be theirs. It takes time in among all the other things they are doing. Fire up some of your bug free plugins, take a chill pill and wait.

no no, it's not like that. first of all, it's not about a bug free product and furthermore, there are a lot of devs that do maintenance and care very much about to enhance things workflow wise but also in other areas. and it also doesn't have to be free. I have no problem with reasonable update fees from time to time (as long as it not a subscription or WUP). no need to tell anyone 'to get stuffed' because it's not about me demanding anything, it's about losing interest. I blame no one, I'm just saying that I think they're not doing themself a favor and that I've lost interest because of that.

I like their products and would just love to see them going a bit more in that direction to have fun buying them again.

And it's also about communication. Please correct me when I'm wrong here, but I've not read a lot of replies about product related things or issues. They are certainly not the worst dev in this matter out there, but it doesn't generate a lot of attachment to a brand when there is a lot of silence.

[plexuss]

And it's also about communication. Please correct me when I'm wrong here, but I've not read a lot of replies about product related things or issues. They are certainly not the worst dev in this matter out there, but it doesn't generate a lot of attachment to a brand when there is a lot of silence.

Voltage works well. They do live streams, they pump out videos and they correspond on forums. Seems like a lot of winging here about nothing. There's always that crowd I guess.

[wwjd]

Agreed. And, lets hear some music productions from those of you whining about aliasing to actually hear how bad you think it sounds. I use lots of synths and effects that alias or claim to alias and they sound fine in the context of a mixed track. I have yet to hear real-world examples of why said aliasing is so bad. Think of all the commecial productions that use aliasing digital tools as well. Let's hear some real life in context observable evidence that makes this so critical to people.

Over my decades of digital engineering, professional studios, home project studios, writing, recording, playing, producing, NOT ONCE has aliasing ever slowed anything down. Never. Yeah, pros hear it, but 98% of audiences don't and/or don't care. The times I knew of it in studios, NO ONE ever questioned it, ever. I only hear about aliasing here, gearsluts, and ONE synth nerd friend who never makes music.

Still, I guess if it is all about exacting perfectionism, one has to determine to spend money or not. That's fair.

[pough]

I have bought the ca2600 but also find the silence about the aliasing issues gentleclockdivider and others mentioned very irritating. It’s a pity because cherry audio choose interesting synths to emulate (like the polymoog) but their way of dealing with criticism seems half-hearted. Pity!

I'm pretty sure that it has been addressed, once*. IIRC they said that they consider the aliasing to be below the noise floor, or something like that. Obviously some people disagree and are continuing to press the issue. It seems to me that Cherry Audio have stated their position and moved on. To call that silence isn't completely accurate. They're just not responding over and over and over and over and over again.

I haven't found aliasing to be an issue. Either I can't hear it or it might only be showing up in edge cases. I'm pretty relaxed about these things, though.

* They might also have done an update to reduce the aliasing. I can't recall for sure and these discussions are spread across the KVR instruments forum, the KVR Cherry Audio forum, and the Cherry Audio forum.

[abernathy]

Agreed. And, lets hear some music productions from those of you whining about aliasing to actually hear how bad you think it sounds. I use lots of synths and effects that alias or claim to alias and they sound fine in the context of a mixed track. I have yet to hear real-world examples of why said aliasing is so bad. Think of all the commecial productions that use aliasing digital tools as well. Let's hear some real life in context observable evidence that makes this so critical to people.

Over my decades of digital engineering, professional studios, home project studios, writing, recording, playing, producing, NOT ONCE has aliasing ever slowed anything down. Never. Yeah, pros hear it, but 98% of audiences don't and/or don't care. The times I knew of it in studios, NO ONE ever questioned it, ever. I only hear about aliasing here, gearsluts, and ONE synth nerd friend who never makes music.

Still, I guess if it is all about exacting perfectionism, one has to determine to spend money or not. That's fair.

Like I said, I was only “sort of” defending them... I don’t know if it has been improved, but when I first bought CA2600 it really was unusable at 44.1 (while synths from u-he, Synapse, TAL are fine at 44.1). The aliasing wasn’t something subtle - high notes had screechy overtones you wouldn’t want in your productions! I like CA’s GUIs, but for me the sound quality is a step down from u-he, Synapse, TAL, GForce, etc.

[gentleclockdivider]

In their defense (sort of) I think we’re asking for a fundamental change in all 3 of these synths. Do I understand they ported the sound engine of these from VM, and the aliasing issue was there? For $30 I think we’re expecting too much.

Agreed. And, lets hear some music productions from those of you whining about aliasing to actually hear how bad you think it sounds. I use lots of synths and effects that alias or claim to alias and they sound fine in the context of a mixed track. I have yet to hear real-world examples of why said aliasing is so bad. Think of all the commecial productions that use aliasing digital tools as well. Let's hear some real life in context observable evidence that makes this so critical to people.

Just enable osc sync on ca 2600 and play some high notes , it has been documented since day one ...
It’s the osc sync they can’t get right , it’s earpiercingly bad
They have fixed all the bugs I’ve mentioned ( and there were a lot ) , but for some reason they choose to ignore this one .
Having explained everything multiple times on their forum + screenhots+ audio files doesn’t leave a good impresssion .
And don’t get me started about the defamation tactics used on gearslutz , intolerable behaviour towards constructive criticism and well documented and easily verifiable bug reports .
Cherry audio is not tal or u-he where you have a direct connection line with the developer and it gets sorted out .
Truth be said , polymoog souns nice but I won’t support them unless they fix ca 2600 .

[S0lo]

I have yet to hear real-world examples of why said aliasing is so bad. Think of all the commecial productions that use aliasing digital tools as well. Let's hear some real life in context observable evidence that makes this so critical to people.

Pitch modulation, note slide or vibrato is where aliasing sucks the most. Other than that, I'd say that it's a subjective matter depending on the producer/musician and what he intends to do. It can be useful some times.

[simmo75]

Too many plugin doctors in the house...
I wonder whether they have any interest in writing music or just ‘looking’ for audio problems..

[briefcasemanx]

I wonder how many pages of internet arguing there are, due to people that don't make music using cracked versions of some plugin analyzer, that wouldn't exist if such tools weren't available.

I have never in my life said, "got me a new plugin, now it's time to break out the old FFT spectrum analyzer and also lets check the stereo phase coherency of 2nd order harmonics produced by SoftClipAlgo2 on a sine sweep". There's nothing inherently wrong with that but don't be a weirdo and crap in every thread by that developer on every forum on the internet. Its not like they ripped you off because you don't like how one moderately useful function on a $30 synth full of useful functions sounds(or, looks in an analyzer).

[Dark Fiber]

That's also my top issue with CA, seems not to be much interested in maintenance or enhancement of existing products. At least that's unfortunately my impression from my limited experience. Still like their stuff a lot, but that has stopped me getting more products from them currently.

Same here! I'd rather save some money for a TAL software emulation which deals with aliasing right from the start. Just don't like it when something is mentioned a million times, but the dev remains silent about it. Makes me feel they're just not competent enough to deal with the challenge.

I have bought the ca2600 but also find the silence about the aliasing issues gentleclockdivider and others mentioned very irritating. It’s a pity because cherry audio choose interesting synths to emulate (like the polymoog) but their way of dealing with criticism seems half-hearted. Pity!

In their defense (sort of) I think we’re asking for a fundamental change in all 3 of these synths. Do I understand they ported the sound engine of these from VM, and the aliasing issue was there? For $30 I think we’re expecting too much.

I'm assuming that it's just a technique you can implement in all 4 synths, not a wheel invention per synth. In that perspective you can spread the implementation costs across 4 synths.

[Dark Fiber]

I wonder how many pages of internet arguing there are, due to people that don't make music using cracked versions of some plugin analyzer, that wouldn't exist if such tools weren't available.

I have never in my life said, "got me a new plugin, now it's time to break out the old FFT spectrum analyzer and also lets check the stereo phase coherency of 2nd order harmonics produced by SoftClipAlgo2 on a sine sweep". There's nothing inherently wrong with that but don't be a weirdo and crap in every thread by that developer on every forum on the internet. Its not like they ripped you off because you don't like how one moderately useful function on a $30 synth full of useful functions sounds(or, looks in an analyzer).

I don't see any screenshots of analyzers in this thread or previous threads. If you cannot hear aliasing, that's your luck. Other people do. You sound like you have no respect for different views of others.

[briefcasemanx]

I wonder how many pages of internet arguing there are, due to people that don't make music using cracked versions of some plugin analyzer, that wouldn't exist if such tools weren't available.

I have never in my life said, "got me a new plugin, now it's time to break out the old FFT spectrum analyzer and also lets check the stereo phase coherency of 2nd order harmonics produced by SoftClipAlgo2 on a sine sweep". There's nothing inherently wrong with that but don't be a weirdo and crap in every thread by that developer on every forum on the internet. Its not like they ripped you off because you don't like how one moderately useful function on a $30 synth full of useful functions sounds(or, looks in an analyzer).

I don't see any screenshots of analyzers in this thread or previous threads. If you cannot hear aliasing, that's your luck. Other people do. You sound like you have no respect for different views of others.

I have no respect for people bringing an issue from one piece of software into every single thread from that company, trying to get attention.

And yes I'm capable of hearing distortion when it's audible.

[Dark Fiber]

I wonder how many pages of internet arguing there are, due to people that don't make music using cracked versions of some plugin analyzer, that wouldn't exist if such tools weren't available.

I have never in my life said, "got me a new plugin, now it's time to break out the old FFT spectrum analyzer and also lets check the stereo phase coherency of 2nd order harmonics produced by SoftClipAlgo2 on a sine sweep". There's nothing inherently wrong with that but don't be a weirdo and crap in every thread by that developer on every forum on the internet. Its not like they ripped you off because you don't like how one moderately useful function on a $30 synth full of useful functions sounds(or, looks in an analyzer).

I don't see any screenshots of analyzers in this thread or previous threads. If you cannot hear aliasing, that's your luck. Other people do. You sound like you have no respect for different views of others.

I have no respect for people bringing an issue from one piece of software into every single thread from that company, trying to get attention.

And yes I'm capable of hearing distortion when it's audible.

If this new synth didn't have the aliasing issue, you wouldn't have read anything about it. However...

I have no respect for people trying to get attention with disrepect for people who have different opinions or preferences.