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blowfly wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 10:54 pm No, you're correct.
But there's a trick to have Delays on KG level though: use FX Racks.
But it only works with OSCs with in-built VCAs: FM Osc and Drum Osc.
Holy crap. That is weird. Do you know or have a theory as to why they have this strange design and/or limitation? I mean... I have never used a software within this category that won't allow you to modulate a delay (or similar). If anything I find parameters that can't be modulated because it's too CPU-crazy or it's by mistake. This seems like a design decision?

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estevancarlos wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 3:12 am it's too CPU-crazy
You named it.
If you would like to, say, modulate the Decay time for a reverb in a 16 voice Program you'll end up in having 16 Reverbs (plus all the other parts of the Program), which could be a bit of a problem for the Cpu.

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Keygroup level means you would have a delay per voice, which would be tremendously RAM and CPU intensive.

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Rumor: The retriggering envelope at Layer level "hack" will be officially incorporated in Falcon 2.2
Falcon user since 2015

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EvilDragon wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:46 am Keygroup level means you would have a delay per voice, which would be tremendously RAM and CPU intensive.
The CPU issue makes sense but their decision to limit the routing of modulations to only go in one direction is sort of arbitrary. Clearly we should be able to put a delay at the layer level and then send an ADSR modulation from a keygroup, outward to that layer. I'm finding the design of their software to be robust but unusual in very particular ways.

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newuser2014 wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:32 pm Rumor: The retriggering envelope at Layer level "hack" will be officially incorporated in Falcon 2.2
Oh thank goodness. What is this hack?

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estevancarlos wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 3:41 pm
newuser2014 wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:32 pm Rumor: The retriggering envelope at Layer level "hack" will be officially incorporated in Falcon 2.2
Oh thank goodness. What is this hack?
Assign a keygroup to a re- triggering multi-envelope on layer level and set the envelope to legato mode. Then use that envelope to modulate whatever you want to. It's not polyphonic but helpful.

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estevancarlos wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 3:40 pmThe CPU issue makes sense but their decision to limit the routing of modulations to only go in one direction is sort of arbitrary. Clearly we should be able to put a delay at the layer level and then send an ADSR modulation from a keygroup, outward to that layer. I'm finding the design of their software to be robust but unusual in very particular ways.
That's because at layer level there's no polyphony (all voices are summed into a pair of audio outputs), and keygroups are all about polyphony.

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Sampleconstruct wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:28 pm
estevancarlos wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 3:41 pm
newuser2014 wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:32 pm Rumor: The retriggering envelope at Layer level "hack" will be officially incorporated in Falcon 2.2
Oh thank goodness. What is this hack?
Assign a keygroup to a re- triggering multi-envelope on layer level and set the envelope to legato mode. Then use that envelope to modulate whatever you want to. It's not polyphonic but helpful.
Let's see. I'm fairly new to Falcon. One week so far. I may not understand your instruction. I have the multi-envelope on the layer. Which envelope should be set to legato? The multi-envelope? Or is that one set to retrigger? Thanks in advance.


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estevancarlos wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:49 pm Thanks in advance.
PM in Advance

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estevancarlos wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:40 pm Not sure if this is too off topic but is there a way to assign an ADSR envelope to a delay parameter? It sounds SO reasonable. Takes two seconds to pull off in Arturia's Pigments. I can not do it in Falcon because:

1) The delay FX are not available at the keygroup level
2) The ADSRs are not functional outside the keygroup level

Am I missing something?
The workaround of how to do this is covered here...

https://falcontinuum.com/article/polyph ... -envelopes

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estevancarlos wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:49 pm
Sampleconstruct wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:28 pm
estevancarlos wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 3:41 pm
newuser2014 wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:32 pm Rumor: The retriggering envelope at Layer level "hack" will be officially incorporated in Falcon 2.2
Oh thank goodness. What is this hack?
Assign a keygroup to a re- triggering multi-envelope on layer level and set the envelope to legato mode. Then use that envelope to modulate whatever you want to. It's not polyphonic but helpful.
Let's see. I'm fairly new to Falcon. One week so far. I may not understand your instruction. I have the multi-envelope on the layer. Which envelope should be set to legato? The multi-envelope? Or is that one set to retrigger? Thanks in advance.


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My wording was misleading, set it to legato.

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Another hack: if you have a patch with hundreds of keygroups, each one using its own ADSR amplitude envelope you can add an ADSR on Program level, then select all keygroups, delete all the individual ADSRs and assign the keygroup volume parameter to the ADSR on Program level, this will save a significant amount of CPU power.

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Sampleconstruct wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:11 am Another hack: if you have a patch with hundreds of keygroups, each one using its own ADSR amplitude envelope you can add an ADSR on Program level, then select all keygroups, delete all the individual ADSRs and assign the keygroup volume parameter to the ADSR on Program level, this will save a significant amount of CPU power.
CPU when you modify this ADSR with a macro or thought a script as there are fewer envelope to "touch", but at playback there shouldn't be any difference or maybe minor thanks to a better cache optimisation
Memory, yes.
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Falcon 2.1.2 is out.
-'Save as' works again
-Undo functionality 8)

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