Software vs Hardware Synth (better investment for beginners?)

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cryophonik wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:02 am
zerocrossing wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:32 am Right, but look at it like this. What do they do with high school students when they teach them to drive? Software. They put them in a simulator to get used to the controls, where they are, what they do. You don’t put them in the big expensive hardware right away. In this case, it’s not quite as abstract because the software is actually synthesis, where the driving sim isn’t actual driving.

Anyway, I’m like you, I have no preference for hardware or software instruments. Both play a big part in how I make music. But, if you have a computer already, it’s easy to buy an inexpensive MIDI controller and get to work. You could make an entire epic album with Surge and Tyrell and keep your money in the bank until you get a handle on things. Then go shopping.
That’s all fine, but my point is still that software is not the only way and it’s not even the best way to learn to drive or make noise or whatever. It’s *a* way of doing things. Yes, it’s often the cheapest way, but we don’t all make our decisions based solely on lowest cost and there’s nothing wrong with encouraging a beginner to learn how to make music on a dedicated hardware synth if that’s what he/she wants to do. If he/ she wants to learn on software, I’m all for that, too, if it gets them making music. My issue is simply that I get sick of the argument that beginners should always start with software simply because it’s cheap and easy. Nothing great was ever accomplished because it was cheap and easy.
Well, the question was asked, so the answer to what the OP is happier with isn’t known. Some people hate working with hardware. Some hate working with software. Some love both.

Looks at it this way. It doesn’t matter. If the OP puts Reaper on their PC and loads up Tyrell and hates it, there’s always a hardware synth for them to try. If they buy a hardware synth, they’re almost guaranteed to be wanting to record and/or sequence it on a computer anyway. But, maybe they don’t hate Tyrell, and they get interested in Surge... and then maybe Dune. They find the ITB workflow agrees with them. It’s not like no one’s going to stop them from trying hardware synths at some point, but if they start that way, there’s a built in hassle of buying something and maybe returning it, or if you buy it used you have to resell it, maybe you lose some money, etc.
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zerocrossing wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:10 am maybe... and then maybe...and maybe.., maybe..., etc.
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Over many years of buying both hardware and software, I’ve developed my own criteria for deciding whether or not to get something new:

-Can I afford it?
-Is there nothing else I would rather spend the same money on?
-Do I have space for it?
-Will it delight me and bring me joy?

That’s it. Answer yes to all of those, and it’s time to go shopping!
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It would greatly help the software cause if someone finally designed the ultimate midi controller with dedicated sliders - knobs - and pads that are clearly labelled and only do what the label says they do.

A knob that is labelled "cutoff" that does that, and only that, with no way to reassign it to something else. The same for resonance - attack - decay - sustain - release etc.

Of course, this would require a common standard. And developers that stick to it rigidly. But the end result would be a much more rewarding experience, and maybe catch those people who are caught between whether to go software or hardware.

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deastman wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:26 am Over many years of buying both hardware and software, I’ve developed my own criteria for deciding whether or not to get something new:

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-Is there nothing else I would rather spend the same money on?
That's the thing. In 99.9% of cases the answer to that is that I'd rather buy a new computer to be able to run more soft synth instances. Makes much more sense to me.

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deastman wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:26 amOver many years of buying both hardware and software, I’ve developed my own criteria for deciding whether or not to get something new:
-Can I afford it?
-Is there nothing else I would rather spend the same money on?
-Do I have space for it?
-Will it delight me and bring me joy?
That’s it. Answer yes to all of those, and it’s time to go shopping!
My purchasing decisions revolve around how it might improve the music I/we make or my/our performance on stage. Any "delight" or "joy" would be purely incidental, it's always about the music.
dellboy wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:38 am It would greatly help the software cause if someone finally designed the ultimate midi controller with dedicated sliders - knobs - and pads that are clearly labelled and only do what the label says they do.
Maybe for you but I wouldn't use anything like that. I much prefer using my mouse, especially where I can just click or double-click and enter a value and/or hold down CTRL or SHIFT so I can make much finer adjustments than I could with anything as crude as a hardware knob or slider.
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So after 2 weeks no sign of OP and people still think this is anything but trolling?
Newly registered asked same question that is just a few threads down.....

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The usual. Anyway, I always used presets, but now I am learning more about synthesis. Also basically started with the physics behind synthesis. Which is even better.

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BONES wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:45 am
Maybe for you but I wouldn't use anything like that. I much prefer using my mouse, especially where I can just click or double-click and enter a value and/or hold down CTRL or SHIFT so I can make much finer adjustments than I could with anything as crude as a hardware knob or slider.
A lot of people prefer to play there instruments and twiddle knobs at the same time which is obviously not possible when using a mouse. And anyway, whats wrong with having both paths at your disposal ?

With regard to controllers I have a Nektar Panorama P6 which has decent mapping to Cubase and Studio One onboard instruments, and the resolution of the knobs seems good enough for most tasks. Its when using independent VSTS that the mapping disappears. I have a couple of old Novation controllers, but there system never worked properly.

Who needs ultra-fine mapping when sweeping a filter ?

Its becoming obvious by now that there are two camps. Those who play there hardware instruments in real time. And those who use a mouse to input notes. And never the twain shall meet.

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errr i do both.
it's the point of having both options.
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vurt wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:33 pm errr i do both.
it's the point of having both options.
clearly you're not a twain, then.
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not a mark either.
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vurt wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:33 pm errr i do both.
it's the point of having both options.
I use both as well.

That's when I have a mouse that's still working after dropping it for the umpteenth time.

But I bet there's an even split between those who prefer a wired mouse over wireless.

I am wired.

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dellboy wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:02 pmBut I bet there's an even split between those who prefer a wired mouse over wireless.
Its not that I prefer it to be wired.

But going by the semi-malevolent wanderings of my TV remote (cos I sure as hell didnt put it in the fridge that time), if it was wireless, it'd be an even split whether I could find the fecking thing...
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yup, keep it tied down out of necessity rather than preference.
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