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[Kalamata Kid]

Sonic-Lab Cosmosf M31 stochastic midi event processor
I assume it has a midi in and a midi out.
https://www.sonic-lab.com/cosmosfm31/
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/cosmos ... y-soniclab
Just a reminder: €99/$119 - launch sale: %25 off = $90 till 2-15-21
I saw several of the demo videos and did not hear any music that I liked.
All comments are welcome.

I would be interested in the Cosmosf M31 for under $25 if ever released for iOS.
I hope the Windows version is multi-touch capable.

Gotta say the people at Sonic-Lab produce very interesting plugins. The sound however has yet to inspire me. By their looks I suspect their plugins are much more capable.

Edit: My feeling is the M31 is very complex and would take time to produce anything resembling music. Lately I have been preferring smaller simpler midi fx and chaining them together.

[fairlyclose]

Sonic-Lab Cosmosf M31 stochastic midi event processor
I assume it has a midi in and a midi out.
https://www.sonic-lab.com/cosmosfm31/
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/cosmos ... y-soniclab
Just a reminder: €99/$119 - launch sale: %25 off = $90 till 2-15-21
I saw several of the demo videos and did not hear any music that I liked.
All comments are welcome.

I would be interested in the Cosmosf M31 for under $25 if ever released for iOS.
I hope the Windows version is multi-touch capable.

Gotta say the people at Sonic-Lab produce very interesting plugins. The sound however has yet to inspire me. By their looks I suspect their plugins are much more capable.

Edit: My feeling is the M31 is very complex and would take time to produce anything resembling music. Lately I have been preferring smaller simpler midi fx and chaining them together.

M31 is a midi device, Portal is making the sounds.

[Kalamata Kid]

Sonic-Lab Cosmosf M31 stochastic midi event processor
I assume it has a midi in and a midi out.
https://www.sonic-lab.com/cosmosfm31/
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/cosmos ... y-soniclab
Just a reminder: €99/$119 - launch sale: %25 off = $90 till 2-15-21
I saw several of the demo videos and did not hear any music that I liked.
All comments are welcome.

I would be interested in the Cosmosf M31 for under $25 if ever released for iOS.
I hope the Windows version is multi-touch capable.

Gotta say the people at Sonic-Lab produce very interesting plugins. The sound however has yet to inspire me. By their looks I suspect their plugins are much more capable.

Edit: My feeling is the M31 is very complex and would take time to produce anything resembling music. Lately I have been preferring smaller simpler midi fx and chaining them together.

M31 is a midi device, Portal is making the sounds.

Is M31 strictly a midi plugin? Does it have any audio capability?
Portal by Output I believe is an audio effect so it cannot produce any audio.
Could be wrong about Portal.

[fairlyclose]

Sonic-Lab Cosmosf M31 stochastic midi event processor
I assume it has a midi in and a midi out.
https://www.sonic-lab.com/cosmosfm31/
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/cosmos ... y-soniclab
Just a reminder: €99/$119 - launch sale: %25 off = $90 till 2-15-21
I saw several of the demo videos and did not hear any music that I liked.
All comments are welcome.

I would be interested in the Cosmosf M31 for under $25 if ever released for iOS.
I hope the Windows version is multi-touch capable.

Gotta say the people at Sonic-Lab produce very interesting plugins. The sound however has yet to inspire me. By their looks I suspect their plugins are much more capable.

Edit: My feeling is the M31 is very complex and would take time to produce anything resembling music. Lately I have been preferring smaller simpler midi fx and chaining them together.

M31 is a midi device, Portal is making the sounds.

Is M31 strictly a midi plugin? Does it have any audio capability?
Portal by Output I believe is an audio effect so it cannot produce any audio.
Could be wrong about Portal.

Have a look on the sonic-lab website and see what they say. Crazy idea eh?

[WatchTheGuitar]

Calling their site Sonic Lab and trademarking it seems a bit dodgy when it’s a name Sonic State has used for many years

[fairlyclose]

Calling their site Sonic Lab and trademarking it seems a bit dodgy when it’s a name Sonic State has used for many years

What software does the sonic state soniclab make?

[WatchTheGuitar]

Calling their site Sonic Lab and trademarking it seems a bit dodgy when it’s a name Sonic State has used for many years

What software does the sonic state soniclab make?

They don’t, but Sonic State’s Sonic LAB is a recognisable name in the synth social media field. I’m not saying they’re doing anything illegal and maybe some will see it as a smart move, but smacks a bit of stolen valour to me.

[fairlyclose]

Calling their site Sonic Lab and trademarking it seems a bit dodgy when it’s a name Sonic State has used for many years

What software does the sonic state soniclab make?

They don’t, but Sonic State’s Sonic LAB is a recognisable name in the synth social media field. I’m not saying they’re doing anything illegal and maybe some will see it as a smart move, but smacks a bit of stolen valour to me.

So it is not an issue at all. Sounds like something Trump would whinge about. Sonic-lab software has been around for years. No doubt soniclab whatever they do has been as well. I doubt anyone has ever confused the two and bought software by mistake. And I have never heard of sonic state and their soniclab so who gives a shit. Just negativity for nothing

[WatchTheGuitar]

So it is not an issue at all. Sounds like something Trump would whinge about. Sonic-lab software has been around for years. No doubt soniclab whatever they do has been as well. I doubt anyone has ever confused the two and bought software by mistake. And I have never heard of sonic state and their soniclab so who gives a shit. Just negativity for nothing

Maybe, point taken if they’ve been around for ages, I’d personally never heard of the developer before.

[ThomasHelzle]

From all the examples I heard of the M31 nothing struck me as especially musical. I get better things out of a random or semi-random generator and filtering. The same was true (for me) when I had their initial stochastic tools (cosmos saturn). It somehow sounds like an interesting idea and looks intriguing on paper, but in the end did nothing for me.

There are so much more interesting concepts out there IMO, like:
https://www.codefn42.com/transition/index.html
This is created with a similar tool (Tonecarvers Nova64):
https://excerpts-of-infinity.bandcamp.com

One generator I wrote in Processing uses Perlin Noise to generate notes and that in itself is something very natural, be it as textures in 3D models or in audio:
https://thomashelzle.bandcamp.com/album ... nd-piano-1

I'm not saying I'm the top of the pop in generative of course and people have different interests, but for me it's in a semi-making-sense realm.

I'd go with Kalamate Kid though: Simpler tools and stringing them together gets me further. Like a kind of modular approach.
Each tool doing something well with a clear interface and then see what happens if you throw them together in a host like Bitwig that can have as many plugins of any kind in any order on one track.

Cheers,

Tom

[fairlyclose]

Volbot I have just used a lot on a commission for an Australian State Art Gallery. But they are not simple to use. I might do some tutorials this year, I think clear tutes would help a lot.

[killmaster]

It didn't occur to me, since I mostly use Phrasebox for generative things, not for playing with my seaboard block.
Will be interesting to think about..
A while ago I already thought about generative tools that generate MPE data, but not in the context of Phrasebox...

Cheers,

Tom

I heard back from Adam and feel hopeful. I included it below. Should we move this to a new thread?:

"I’ve never really dealt with MPE other than reading the technicals of it, so this will be a new adventure for me! As I understand it, MPE basically sends each note on a separate channel along with the extra controller data, but otherwise it’s just standard MIDI?

As Phrasebox can already output each row’s note on a separate MIDI channel, I could just update the controller area to have a unique set of envelopes for each row. This should cover MPE in regards to generating it within the plugin (see screenshot - there’s a new set of buttons 1-8). You can then craft a set of CC data for pressure / pitch etc. for each note, which would allow playing MPE from a non-MPE keyboard and from chords in the DAW.

With regards playing MPE data directly from a keyboard, I think a simple passthrough would work well. Enabling the MPE button (see screenshot) will pass through the pressure / pitch etc. for that note, but modify the channel number to match whatever Phrasebox is sending the generated note on."

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"Thanks for the Roger Linn link. I’ve gone down the rabbit hole with reading technical docs, and it looks like it’s mostly just multi-channel MIDI, with a few quirks regarding setting up ‘zones’ and ‘pitch bend ranges’ etc. I think we should be able to look at trying to add MPE to Phrasebox if you don’t mind testing a bit as we go. Worst case is it’ll have to be a feature of version 2 (a free update later in the year) if it’ll cause compatibility issues in the current version.

I’ve got a couple of smaller feature requests I’m hoping to add this week, so I’ll probably start taking a deeper look next week."

[killmaster]

I'll go ahead and start a Phrasebox thread with this as the first post. Sorry for the duplicate...

[Musical Gym]

Please post link to new thread when ready, thanks.

[killmaster]

Please post link to new thread when ready, thanks.

Sure, it's here now:

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