Tone2 Warlock (synthesizer) - available now!

[Cinebient]

I would like to hear more demos of some unique sounds from it rather the next KVR daily soap drama.
Sorry, I try to understand if this synth is really something unique and new.
So it is a spectral wavetable thing or what?

I am trying demo of every new synth when is released and asking myself same questions
After 7 years of sound design i feel that there is constant need of more temper and harmonics from new synths,almost every year developers create something little bit better if look last decade.
On the question,what i adore about Warlock is super massive sound and unique filter's signature.
Warlock is workhorse,probably won't replace immediately your old synths,but to me everytime a user need more sound stage,more filters,more temper,more supersaw you gonna use it.
Warlock is just so simple and powerful,try one saw and 10x supersaw detuning and compare it with any other synth,and that's just part of picture,i'm just touching the surface now for more popular and useful sound for users.
Countless hours of seeking 'right' detuning is just one turn of a knob with Warlock.
New revision i do of my sets is brutal clubish,percussive,loaded with temper sound,will upload some demo to hear it soon.
Cheers

Thank you, interesting thoughts.
While I am also a fan of super duper hybrid synths like Alchemy (still the most unique and favourite for me in this area) i also really appreciate simpler, kind of one page synths. Also it does not mean they are not versatile. Too often I get lost in endless modular patching and give up, then open a simple synth, take a preset, tweak out to my likes and have exact the result I tried to do with 20 modules
Yes, sometimes less is more, especially if the right parameters and tweaking is made easy and fast.
While I am also maybe done with collecting more synths (are we ever done with it) I am still lurking for some new things in new synths. It could be a new synth engine, a very special included FX you get nowhere else, a unique GUI and workflow or something else.
Of course I have maybe 100 synths but now mainly use 3-5 of them which almost cover everything and are really special to me.
If I read "never heard sounds" I am interested. Of course I know it is also marketing bla bla but so far I like Tone2 products, especially Icarus.

[mabian]

FWIW, I'm with Lint_Huffer7 on this. As far as the plugin allows pasting the xml content directly in its GUI without having to save it first as a file and then loading it to a plugin
- Mario

But again what practical advantage does this bring you ? I'm genuinely curious.

Are you saying you want to copy the exact same patch from one instance of Warlock to another ?

So you right click on the gui of one instance and copy then right click paste onto the gui of another ?

Is that what you're saying ? I don't see much use in having the same sound in two different instances or needing to do that often enough to make it practically useful. If I like that sound enough to use it twice then I'd just save it as an .fxp patch.

But even with .xml files you'll still have to save them if you want to keep them or share them. How can I copy the contents of an .xml file if I don't have that file on my system or don't have access to it from some net location?

So I guess I'm just not getting it but again good luck with the request. That's two of you now so maybe if you can get more people to support .xml files or maybe can explain the advantages in a better way we'll all get on board.

I'm not against anyone's feature requests I'm just trying to understand this one.

Simple use case:
someone posts a patch here in the forum, just the plain xml embedded in a post.
I start the DAW, open a track with the plugin, paste the preset xml. And try the preset.
Done. No files, just copy/paste.
Then I want to post back on the same thread a changed version. I get the xml from the plugin, post it on the same thread. Done again. Quick.
Less steps, faster and more convenient. Simple as that.

- Mario

[Teksonik]

Simple use case:
someone posts a patch here in the forum, just the plain xml embedded in a post.
I start the DAW, open a track with the plugin, paste the preset xml. And try the preset.
Done. No files, just copy/paste.
Then I want to post back on the same thread a changed version. I get the xml from the plugin, post it on the same thread. Done again. Quick.
Less steps, faster and more convenient. Simple as that.

Well that may save a second or two....maybe. But you're still uploading information if you want to share your changed version. There are still mouse clicks involved in copy/paste.

What if you then want to save that patch you just copied and pasted from the .xml embedded text ? You have to save it as a...file whether that's an .xml file or .fxp file.

What if someone uploads a pack of thirty patches ?

Are forum threads going to get bloated with embedded .xml text just to share patches ? How much text is involved in a patch for complex synths ? And so on.....

Ok well I'm not convinced but as long as you can convince Markus it's all that matters.

[mabian]

Well of course if we're talking about soundbanks, that is not the right method.
I'm not saying this should be the only way, rather an additional exchange format.

- Mario

[Teksonik]

Fair enough.

[VELLTONE MUSIC]

If I read "never heard sounds" I am interested. Of course I know it is also marketing bla bla but so far I like Tone2 products, especially Icarus.
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Yep i don't like such marketing of never ever heard sounds neither,prefer to wait till alien ships landed on earth to hear how their engines sounds (joking...no seriously:):)
It's more intuitive to make sound with one page synth,than to start countless modulations with more complex one,till original idea is lost between experiments and instead of adding what mix need things end up with total change of composition.
I had few synths from other developers ask me to make presets,but in the moment i realize i don't 'feel' comfortable with some synth or just sound doesn't fit my taste,i say sorry it's not my synth,can't offer anything interesting.
It's subjective,it's about personal taste,if not actually the personality itself which like or dislike,topic is very deep psychologically,why some people like this, but other hate it, so on:)
Warlock is not just another synth,neither just Firebird update,it's new animal and i'm sure in time there will be many interesting sounds made with it,at least i'm gonna do such.
Made 4000 presets with Firebird exploring it,now with Warlock is more interesting because
of new supersaw detuning system ,more options it has and that massive hurricane like sound
inside the mix.Cheers:)

[Examigan]

Warlock sounds really nice and I am creating a demo track at the moment.

[HcDoom]

Bought this and I must say, for bread and butter sounds, its very good. Overall sounds is crystal clear and very focused, excellent for various types of eletronic music. Default presets are not the best but not the worst either, this one needs some Rob Lee, Luftrum and Aiyn Zahev touch.

But I have one issue, I must be missing something. I was trying to create some really heavily detuned hypersaw hardcore/hardstyle leads and whatever I tried I only get the sound of 40 to 50% of for example Dune 3 detune. Warlock is way too polite in this manner. I tried hypersaw 10x on both oscs, played with tuning a bit, partials all, spread to max and thats it. I also tried via lfo osc 1/2 detune, but if I understand correctly send only works to either osc 1 or 2? Also, whatever LFO speed I have choose, its not fast enough. Anyway, its ok for some trance hypersaws, but for hardcore/hardstyle I find it too gentle. Like I said, maybe I missing something, but is there any way to detune these even further?

Thx

[ariston]

This is a big surprise. I was itchin' to buy something, on high GAS alert, and I thought why the hell not. Warlock is an astounding synth, I think you really managed to cram a shit ton of variety into a deceptively simple interface. Normally, with a synth this "limited", I would get mad about all the things I can't do, but with Warlock, it's more about "what can it do?". And it can do a lot. Great fun, and it sounds superb.

[db3]

+1. Have been equally impressed with the quality and variety of sounds from this little beast. I can't be arsed to read through the thread to see if this has been reported, but the only issue for me is it randomly stops making a sound (Mac VST3).

[Markus Krause]

@db3:
It is a bug with the Mac version. It appears when you set the release-time of the volume envelope to completely 0. I already fixed it for the next version

@HcDoom:
You can 'cheat' the synth to create drastically detuned Hypersaws:
- Set Hypersaw Spread to 100%
- Use 'Static' as LFO type
- Set LFO routing target to 'Osc1 Spread'
- Set LFO send level to +100%

[MorpherX]

Up to now every VSTi from Tone2 saved content like presets/banks in the folder where the VSTi is installed (at least what know), no matter if it's a system or external drive.

Why not offer also to save and recall WarlockUserA-C banks in the folder the VSTi is installed, it's the first time a user has to save these banks on C system directory and that's not normal in my view.
I personally will never save any content on a C system drive.

[zvenx]

So you know, the previous way (saving in the vsti folder) was very unorthodox and many of us including me complained bitterly about it. I have probably 400+ plugins and only tone2 ones did that.

Not saying the new method (I haven't bought it yet, just going by feedback here) is a better solution, but please not the old way again..
I would believe most plugins require you to save either on the C drive or offer some kind of remapping when you dont' do so.
rsp

[MorpherX]

So you know, the previous way (saving in the vsti folder) was very unorthodox and many of us including me complained bitterly about it. I have probably around 400 plugins and only tone2 ones did that.

Not saying the new method (I haven't bought it yet, just going by feedback here) is a better solution, but please not the old way again..
I would believe most plugins require you to save either on the C drive or offer some kind of remapping when you dont' do so.
rsp

The only VSTi I which wanted to save content on a C system drive is an "old" Rapture VSTi. There I saved the content (Presets) on my external drive and made a junktion link link to the folder at the C system folder Rapture expect that folder and it works. But that's the only one.
Why don't you buy Warlock, than you can see how this preset und bank handling works for you ?

In my view the best solution would be to offer the ability to choose free where a user want to install and save presets and banks.

[zvenx]

Waiting on the demo. I want to hear how it sounds properly.

Oh like I said, I am not saying this is a better solution and from what I am reading here it is a bit cumbersome to work with currently.
rsp