TAL-U-NO-LX. Uber accurate Juno 60 emulation.

[Arashi]

I have no idea what the the correct arpeggiator behavior is. And what's the point if the Roland Cloud version sounds like crap in comparison! To me. Obviously, you are a different person and will have different opinions. But I'm very familiar with both, spent several years with the Roland Jupiter-8 model and have every reason in the world to prefer that version and do not.

Your opinion is perfectly valid. Mine just differs. I’ve used real Jupiter-8s and think the ACB version is extremely close. But use whatever sounds good to you. That’s all that really matters.

Also, if you're going to nitpick about the arpeggiator behavior then ok, I counter that with: the Roland Cloud version has no split/dual functionality. Which is a way important feature than the order of the note playback in the arpeggiator.

I don’t use split/dual mode (but it’s trivial to just combine two copies of the plugin in the same way; I stack plugins in my DAW all the time). I love the Jupiter-8 arpeggiator specifically because of how it works, so it’s pretty important to me. Try it out sometime if you still have your System-8. All the modes (except random) follow the order you played the notes. Most modern arpeggiators have that as a separate mode, but on the JP-8 it works with the up/down/up+down modes, and manages to do it seamlessly. I haven’t found another arpeggiator (whether built into a synth or standalone) that behaves exactly the same way.

[zvenx]

So indeed, it is about the Arp again.
Have you asked Patrick, he has 24/7 access to his Jupiter 8 afaik.
If so what did he say?
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[EvilDragon]

Patrick also has a real Jupiter-8 and going by the comparison demo on TAL website he got it really close. So, there's that... As with any analog synth, they're not identical sounding between the units.


Plus, it is lower CPU than RC JP-8 for the same voice count.

[rezoneight]

Try it out sometime if you still have your System-8. All the modes (except random) follow the order you played the notes. Most modern arpeggiators have that as a separate mode, but on the JP-8 it works with the up/down/up+down modes, and manages to do it seamlessly. I haven’t found another arpeggiator (whether built into a synth or standalone) that behaves exactly the same way.

How does it play notes in played order in up/down/up+down? Not understanding that bit. And a bit odd given that when I choose up mode I want it to play the notes from the bottom to the top, not in the order I played.

[Arashi]

Try it out sometime if you still have your System-8. All the modes (except random) follow the order you played the notes. Most modern arpeggiators have that as a separate mode, but on the JP-8 it works with the up/down/up+down modes, and manages to do it seamlessly. I haven’t found another arpeggiator (whether built into a synth or standalone) that behaves exactly the same way.

How does it play notes in played order in up/down/up+down? Not understanding that bit. And a bit odd given that when I choose up mode I want it to play the notes from the bottom to the top, not in the order I played.

What it does is repeat the notes in the order you played them, going up and down octaves. If you play chords, it will also play the individual notes in the direction of the current mode. In other words, it can work the usual way, or you can intentionally play the notes in a specific order, so you can get different results by changing the way you play on the fly without having to switch modes. Try enabling the hold switch and playing an odd number of notes, then just let it run. Now you have a pattern that keeps shifting against the beat, and it’s far more interesting than a standard up and down arpeggiator.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Try it out sometime if you still have your System-8. All the modes (except random) follow the order you played the notes. Most modern arpeggiators have that as a separate mode, but on the JP-8 it works with the up/down/up+down modes, and manages to do it seamlessly. I haven’t found another arpeggiator (whether built into a synth or standalone) that behaves exactly the same way.

How does it play notes in played order in up/down/up+down? Not understanding that bit. And a bit odd given that when I choose up mode I want it to play the notes from the bottom to the top, not in the order I played.

What it does is repeat the notes in the order you played them, going up and down octaves. If you play chords, it will also play the individual notes in the direction of the current mode. In other words, it can work the usual way, or you can intentionally play the notes in a specific order, so you can get different results by changing the way you play on the fly without having to switch modes. Try enabling the hold switch and playing an odd number of notes, then just let it run. Now you have a pattern that keeps shifting against the beat, and it’s far more interesting than a standard up and down arpeggiator.

You should contact Patrick about that if you haven't already. That seems like something that could be relatively easily rectified. Most of us here don't have a Jupiter-8 to compare to and even if someone did, that may not be the kind of everyone knows about unless they knew what to look for to compare and how to reproduce the difference in behavior.

Usually when I play an Arp, I'm holding chords and changing them at the same time, so having the arp follow the pattern makes sense and I'd think "oh, ok, it works like an arp." If that use-case were the basis of Patrick's own comparisons/emulation, he may not have come to the same conclusion I would. The specific use-case you describe is a bit more of an edge case scenario that may not have been developed for because someone may not know that functionality exists. But once Patrick has clear steps on how to reproduce and a good description of what to listen for, that's something a developer can use to improve their model.

[Arashi]

Plus, it is lower CPU than RC JP-8 for the same voice count.

That’s for sure. We’ve already discussed this elsewhere, but Roland did a spectacularly bad job porting their ACB emulations to run on general CPUs (feels like they’re sitting on top of an emulation of their DSP chips). The CPU usage isn’t just high; it’s spiky in a way that causes unavoidable crackles (other high-CPU plugins like Repro-5 don’t). I find them so obnoxious that I only use them as patch librarians for my System-8.

[rezoneight]

Try it out sometime if you still have your System-8. All the modes (except random) follow the order you played the notes. Most modern arpeggiators have that as a separate mode, but on the JP-8 it works with the up/down/up+down modes, and manages to do it seamlessly. I haven’t found another arpeggiator (whether built into a synth or standalone) that behaves exactly the same way.

How does it play notes in played order in up/down/up+down? Not understanding that bit. And a bit odd given that when I choose up mode I want it to play the notes from the bottom to the top, not in the order I played.

What it does is repeat the notes in the order you played them, going up and down octaves. If you play chords, it will also play the individual notes in the direction of the current mode. In other words, it can work the usual way, or you can intentionally play the notes in a specific order, so you can get different results by changing the way you play on the fly without having to switch modes. Try enabling the hold switch and playing an odd number of notes, then just let it run. Now you have a pattern that keeps shifting against the beat, and it’s far more interesting than a standard up and down arpeggiator.

Oh neat. Thanks for the explanation. That actually sounds a lot cooler than the "expected" way.

[zvenx]

Would this be a correct description of it?

That is the real Jupiter 8 arp repeats the note in order of the notes played not from the lowest to the highest or vice versa... (that is say I am playing third inversion C minor, so notes in order of pitches are G, C E flat)..... yours would play that order even if I had played C first, G second and E flat last, or G first, Eflat slat and C last)


I found this youtube video and if indeed this is not midi or using an external sequencer, he may be right.



How would you get the J-8 to play this arp pattern?

If it is Patrick says that is not how his Jupiter behaves but he will try it again to make sure.....
Either way he can add it later as a different mode.... I imagine like the "as played" mode in the

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U-No-LX...


Which I guess is how Arturia handled it?

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[briefcasemanx]

How accurate is TAL baseline? I own every TAL plugin but I didn't really gel with that one the little I played it. The only reason I own it is because the more TAL plugins I added to my cart the bigger bundle discount appeared, so I just added all of them, lol.

[smellypants]

Extremely accurate, Tal does very authentic emulations

[OzoneJunkie]

How accurate is TAL baseline? I own every TAL plugin but I didn't really gel with that one the little I played it. The only reason I own it is because the more TAL plugins I added to my cart the bigger bundle discount appeared, so I just added all of them, lol.

I ended up buying Baseline recently... Putting it through the free TAL chorus, it tends to shine a bit more...

[BDeep]

How accurate is TAL baseline? I own every TAL plugin but I didn't really gel with that one the little I played it. The only reason I own it is because the more TAL plugins I added to my cart the bigger bundle discount appeared, so I just added all of them, lol.

Well, that's two different things, isn't it? How accurate it is and how you gel with it
In my view it's very accurate, I could get it to sound indistinguishable from my real SH101. Keep in mind that it's a mono-synth, I'm not that big a fan when played polyphonically (ie, it shines more IMHO when used purely monophonic). The other thing is, TAL doesn't add effects to the synth, so it's kind of a raw, dry sound. You may need to add some effects to make it shine in some circumstances.
Actually, I think that's why Roland adds all the bells and whistles to their emulations, so you'll be more wowed when auditioning presets.

[Scrubbing Monkeys]

How accurate is TAL baseline? I own every TAL plugin but I didn't really gel with that one the little I played it. The only reason I own it is because the more TAL plugins I added to my cart the bigger bundle discount appeared, so I just added all of them, lol.

I ended up buying Baseline recently... Putting it through the free TAL chorus, it tends to shine a bit more...

Bassline 101 is a great foundation to build on. Check out the Solid Trax presets. At first they dont seem like much but they have a weight and growl that really cut through a dense mix.


and now....back to our regularly scheduled love for my favorite synth Tal U No LX

[briefcasemanx]

I'll give it a more in depth look at some point after I've gotten more of a handle on all the other synths I've bought since black friday. I'll check out the presets for sure.

Does anyone else feel like there's some subtle stereo processing thing happening with some TAL synths that's not happening in other softsynths?