When electronic music sounded new, like the future... what went wrong!

[Dasheesh]

It's all been dung before.

it's been done before, but not with you're voice. you have to speak out, and be good at it.

[vurt]

It's all been dung before.

[vurt]

It's all been dung before.

it's been done before, but not with you're voice. you have to speak out, and be good at it.

you'd be talking shit if you did

[Dasheesh]

I have zero interest in the famous vurt. I care about people who are expressing themselves.

[vurt]

I have zero interest in the famous vurt. I care about people who are expressing themselves.

read what he said again

[melomood]

well flaze da

[Dirtgrain]

I dozed off while playing this just now, and I had a vision of a creature made from several lamps, in the form of an AT-AT/steampunk elephant walking across the table toward me, maybe dangerously.

[Dirtgrain]

Now I'm thinking of Cheech and Chong smoking Labrador.

[vurt]

I dozed off while playing this just now, and I had a vision of a creature made from several lamps, in the form of an AT-AT/steampunk elephant walking across the table toward me, maybe dangerously.

will a rhino do instead of elephants?
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[bermudagold]

Did I miss something ?

Not necessarily
I've had many similar experiences to you. I've come to the conclusion that a lot of electronica is probably just not my thing. To me I think its less about the sounds, nor their methods of creation...its the composition itself or lack of it. Many I've tried don't make me feel anything, not even repulsion. It doesn't trigger interest intellectually or viscerally. And even when it does, it's in a cinematic context where its impact would be multiplied reinforcing visuals where the visuals are the focus. But not something I would remember and want to hear again or miss over time and search for it to play it. It doesn't create that type of relationship with me as the listener.

I would work to some boards of canada type stuff from warp, wax trax, and matador in the 90s and would occasionally be distracted to listen intently. The electronica I have enjoyed and stood out in the last few years was mostly some adventure club/flight facilities chillstep stuff and little dragon. A good song is just a good song regardless of genre or what tools were used to make it.

I've also noticed a lot of it exemplifies so much of what was wrong with the music industry that technology was supposed to liberate from. The technology has raised the noise floor so high, that its seems to be just as much about circles of influence and access as it was before if not more.
Just today, google's AI algorithm inserted an article from music radar into the news page served up to me about Uele Lamore. After listening to her EP, I shrugged with indifference.What separates her from the millions of comparable efforts on what is a relatively pedestrian motif? Well she went to Berkeley and she is sponsored by Spitfire. Notions of pedigree and corporate interests, endless russian nesting dolls of artificial gatekeepers masquerading as curators.
All clubs feigning exclusivity have it, but electronica has its own special brand of palpable pretentiousness.

[telecharge]

This is a fun story...got a laugh out of me
But there is a real debate obfuscated here about the percentage of the music that comes from your conscious intent, and what percentage threshold constitutes musician-hood versus some concept of conductor or collage artist. But that is mostly about labels and people's investment in them. The market will determine whether they respect and/or enjoy what you do enough to pay money for it. Market validation however and critical acclaim or acceptance into the fraternities invested in a particular label are rarely in alignment.
And yes, kvr has had this debate cyclically the 15 yrs I've been here with every technological advancement

Yeah, it's a can of worms, for sure. I expect the debate will never end.

There's also the fact that much of the music people consume is inspired by, borrowed from, or a straight-up derivative of music that preceded it. For some, it is infringement or theft. For others, it is a tribute or homage. Sometimes it is conscious intent, sometimes not.

[melomood]

Sometimes it's just a new version of old composers composing symphonies with elements borrowed from older local folk melodies

[vurt]

Sometimes it's just a new version of old composers composing symphonies with elements borrowed from older local folk melodies

that's a good point (ignoring classical, as that's not the period being touted as awesome...)
people want new never done before stuff now, and the beatles were mentioned earlier...
what exactly did they do that hadn't been done by others before?

other than taking things from disparate influences and bringing them together?

people talk about flanging in tapes, no, cage et al had done that.
sampling? no, musique concrete did that...
and so on.

also, the early stuff was pants and the later stuff, about 50/50 between great tracks and filler

there has never been a better time than now for music and music lovers, why? because right now you have all the music that's gone before available, are you telling me, you think you'll I've exhausted all the good? do you actually think you have ever even heard more than a small slice of what there is? piss off!

[vurt]

(not you melo, i was just following on from what you said, you have no need to be pissing off)

[vurt]

and im a man! so won't call out "bitches" as men don't do that apparently.
but i will call out ai bots! and im really thinking more and more as time goes on, through various conversations here with one member, that sadly, they have failed the turing test, it may have taken time for me to be certain. but now i feel confident in my assessment of this "member".
always just about speaking in english, but never quite making sense, always the same subject, the evidence is there for all to see.
we are watching!