When electronic music sounded new, like the future... what went wrong!

[cryophonik]

FuturePerfect was a bridge too far for me, although I thought Judgement was a bit of a return to form.

I remember being so excited for that release, then being disappointed and not really giving it much of a chance. Maybe it's time to revisit it with fresh ears and perspective.

[vurt]

Ain't that how the Velvet Underground was started?

[cthonophonic]

Nobody's really doing "the future" right anyway, imo. Too many tracks called like Jetpack Boogie and 055//singularity.florps and not nearly enough that tell me next week's lottery numbers.

[Dasheesh]

[Dasheesh]

it's coming back around. we are educating the youtube youth rn. at some point one of these generations will explode, and it won't be because youtube taught them how. it will be because it's inside them.

[zerocrossing]

I just don't get why people spend so much energy copying something so perfectly and not using their obvious talent to make something new that we haven't heard before rather than a more perfect copy. I can and do get bored of technology and I prefer new, original instruments rather than re-hashing the old stuff to look and sound like the old stuff, that my opinion!

Why? Because making a little of hype and money is easier by ensconcing oneself alongside somebody else's glory. They don't invent. They sell. Not what they made themselves. What could be sold. They are just parasites.

But at the same time the digital modelling of old analog gear is a big invention. Very big.

For as long as I can remember, and even from what I saw happen before my time, there’s been this weird dichotomy in people’s perception of what “new” music should be. To anyone who’s played a live show of original music, you know that it can be amazing, and even close to what’s happening in other genres, and get a very tepid response. I’m not just saying this happened to me (it totally has), but I’ve been in the audience where amazing music was being played to uninterested ears. I remember seeing Living Color open up for Fishbone, and I was rapt while most of the audience was kind of ignoring them because their single hadn’t hit yet.

So... people want new music... as they reject new music. How does new music break though? Honestly, I think it’s repetition. A friend of mine was in a prog band that was hugely popular in our little town. One wouldn’t think that a band that sounded like a combination of Mr. Bungle and King Crimson would pack college bars, but they did. My guess is, they had a lot of friends from their college who just showed up in support. Put enough butts in bar stools and a place will fill up because it becomes a social scene. They moved to SF and got chewed up and spit out. Why? They’re music really didn’t change. They were still amazing. When I last saw my friend, he had abandoned the progressive original sounding rock and went back to doing very traditional folk singer/songwriter stuff. Very good, but not for my taste.

Before this modern time, music stayed pretty static for a long time and no one seemed to care. There’s nothing wrong with creating good music within a specific genre. A lot of the music that I like is pretty derivative of things that went before. A lot of it isn’t. My music is actually pretty derivative of other music, it just happens to be music that’s less known and unpopular. I remember thinking King Crimson was unlike anything else in the world and then hearing Mahavishnu Orchestra a short time later.

[Dasheesh]

zero. it's about to rock. and i see it coming a mile away, and when it happens everyone will claim it as brand new, and i will be happy.

[Dasheesh]

[Dasheesh]

can't believe this is still in the nets, but this is the first song i got trashed to live. i danced my ass off, and woke up with a knots on my head.

[vurt]

can't believe this is still in the nets,

yeah because shes so unkown now, no one would remember the sugarcubes...
theres things on the net that were never released to a wide audience, ive even found my first bands tape online, aside from the band (4 members) theres about 20 we gave to friends. yet someone still had it, and obviously just digitized their whole collection, because it was shit.

[Dasheesh]

oh i was way, way into the music scene by then. i just broke into my bro's liquor cabinet and got trashed on whiskey when they played this live on Saturday night live. it used to be mainstream. i mean... i can go way back further on live bar experiences, but this was the first time i got drunk. nirvana was when the underground went mainstream. i saw it.

[Dasheesh]

before nirvana there was underground and mainstream. after it was all mainstream.

[vurt]

how old do you think i am? i was "there" too, saw nirvana supporting not headlining!
we had quite a lot of underground going big before nirvana released teen spirit though, joy division/new order, the smiths, the cure, depeche mode?

saw the cubes a couple of times, once a gig, once a festival, have seen bjork several times, but now have the restraining order

[dayjob]

before nirvana there was underground and mainstream. after it was all mainstream.

"The Year that Punk Broke" is a fun doc to look at that.

but a lot happened at that time. Lollapalooza, rock radio stations finally playing more than classic rock and led zeppelin on toofer tuesdays! Metallica coming through in places, ministry, NIN.. shit.. the beastie boys blew up primus, gangster rap.. a lot of things of a younger generation finally kicked some of the old stuff in the ass and elbowed their way into the room. there was also A LOT of LSD and MDMA around then and i remember it feeling, from the inside, like a cultural shift (soon to be marketed and sold in every way possible just like any other perceived shift). raves, afterhours, dj mix tapes... and some how through it all fugazi stayed fugazi. it was a really fun time and i'm sure every country, state/region had its own unique feel and scene for a lot of it.

[Dasheesh]

punk was still punk. i was in the 70's. rock and roll latched on to it, but would not let it on the radio. alt. rock got on the radio in the very early 90's, like 90-91, and it exploded. it did not get popular and accepted until Nirvana. it was because electronic music paved the way in the 80's.