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Tj Shredder · Post by **Tj Shredder** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:04 pm

melomood wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:45 am I disagree with your premise, Tj

Arguments???

melomood · Post by **melomood** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:55 pm

I'm not going to waste paragraphs arguing your ridiculously finite statement about plug in scanning
If you're having a problem,figure it out and stop blaming the tools

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:04 pm

Why would a newbie have 100+ plug-ins?

Why can't all DAW cache the information they gather once from a plug-in alongside a file modification date or something of the dll and be done with it until that file modification or something date changes?

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:08 pm

Urs wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:04 pm Why can't all DAW cache the information they gather once from a plug-in alongside a file modification date or something of the dll and be done with it until that file modification or something date changes?

In order to detect any file modification, you still need to scan files. There is no magical way for DAW to know everything out of nowhere.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:11 pm

DJ Warmonger wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:08 pm
Urs wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:04 pm Why can't all DAW cache the information they gather once from a plug-in alongside a file modification date or something of the dll and be done with it until that file modification or something date changes?
In order to detect any file modification, you still need to scan files. There is no magical way for DAW to know everything out of nowhere.

Scan files in a millisecond vs. loading and opening a plug-in to query its properties after it established connection to its license server... big difference.

syntonica · Post by **syntonica** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:24 pm

Life would be simpler if there were a standard location for all of your plugins. A single location. Mac has at least two locations and PC even more. Same with support files, for that matter.

Then, on initial scan, the DAW just needs to enumerate those folders and present the plugins as unverified. The user can then opt to verify them all in one go, or on an as-needed basis. The pain of scanning hundreds of plugins (AU, VST, VST 3) all at once is real.

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:52 pm

mine takes seconds, and only scans for new plugins....

But I don't have many plugins anyway....

rasmusklump · Post by **rasmusklump** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:59 pm

Urs wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:04 pm Why would a newbie have 100+ plug-ins?

Why can't all DAW cache the information they gather once from a plug-in alongside a file modification date or something of the dll and be done with it until that file modification or something date changes?

Isn't this the way cubase handles it?

Erisian · Post by **Erisian** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:59 pm

I'm with Tj. Every DAW and vst host I have used, you do a full scan only once. After that, you do a quick scan whenever you install a new plugin and it only scans the new plugin because it already knows all the others. In fact, full scans are not usually recommended by the host.

mike_the_ranger · Post by **mike_the_ranger** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:14 pm

Can you specify which are the "major DAWs" we're talking about? As others pointed out, meanwhile it's pretty common to scan what has changed (PT for sure, S1) or to even manually scan (FL, Audition).

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:19 pm

rasmusklump wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:59 pm
Urs wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:04 pm Why would a newbie have 100+ plug-ins?

Why can't all DAW cache the information they gather once from a plug-in alongside a file modification date or something of the dll and be done with it until that file modification or something date changes?
Isn't this the way cubase handles it?

I'd sure hope so. As I said, every DAW should.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:22 pm

It's gotta be something like that, because, the difference between the initial plugin scan (when you add your plugin folders to the settings, and scan), and the scan which happens when Cubase or Studio One are started is massive.

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:44 pm

syntonica wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:24 pm Life would be simpler if there were a standard location for all of your plugins. A single location.

there is here

C/VST64

Scotty · Post by **Scotty** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:02 pm

Cubase does a full scan from scratch when the clocks move forward or backwards. It is very inconvenient at times. It quickly scans and updates at any other time except for twice a year I always sigh as I watch the process slowly unfurl in front of my eyes and apologize if I have someone in the studio and I have forgotten to run it earlier that day. First world problem and all that jazz.

rasmusklump · Post by **rasmusklump** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:09 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:02 pm Cubase does a full scan from scratch when the clocks move forward or backwards. It is very inconvenient at times. It quickly scans and updates at any other time except for twice a year I always sigh as I watch the process slowly unfurl in front of my eyes and apologize if I have someone in the studio and I have forgotten to run it earlier that day. First world problem and all that jazz.

This is gone for nearly 2 years now....

Most annoying uneccessary technology: Pre scanning of plugins, please DON'T!!!