Reverbs
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- KVRAF
- 23458 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
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- KVRian
- 1444 posts since 10 Jul, 2018
For added density you can also blend different reverbs (and delays into reverbs), as many top mixing engineers do. (CLA Epic tries to replicate CLA's multiple delays into multiple hardware reverbs set-up. Though I think the individual reverbs aren't that impressive.) CPU may become an issue though. R4 and Nimbus aren't high cpu, but they use several times the amount of cpu that VVV, Valhalla Supermassive, or Breeze 2 use.
Neoverb obviously is set up to blend two different reverbs and ER and the AI will generate blended reverb presets for you.
Neoverb obviously is set up to blend two different reverbs and ER and the AI will generate blended reverb presets for you.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 55 posts since 21 Jul, 2020
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- KVRAF
- 4049 posts since 2 Jul, 2005
in most modes. It works well on pads and long sustained effect sounds, but I hardly ever get a good sound for a mix out of it even with a good amount of fiddling. It's still better than lots of stuff, I'm just speaking relatively. I get way better results with Vroom.
Don't F**K with Mr. Zero.
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- KVRAF
- 23458 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
Ah, got you now - yes, Room is certainly a lot cleaner than V³ (or many of Rooms algos to be more precise), and purposely so indeed.
Personally I prefer those Room algos btw. that might well fit into V³ btw. as the others tend to sound too cold and sterile to me somehow - LV-426 is my personal favourite....
Personally I prefer those Room algos btw. that might well fit into V³ btw. as the others tend to sound too cold and sterile to me somehow - LV-426 is my personal favourite....
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"Preamps have literally one job: when you turn up the gain, it gets louder." Jamcat, talking about presmp-emulation plugins.
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- Banned
- 334 posts since 11 Jan, 2015
maybe because it's only the big downside for the loud minority
i too can only recommend the lexicon pcm bundle. in addition fabfilter pro r (i like the space "morphing" aspect and the decay rate eq) and the artsacoustic one (can be used for unnatural effect reverbs) and the hofa one (for convolution with a superb ir browser).
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- KVRAF
- 2300 posts since 11 Jan, 2009 from Portland, OR, USA
VVV is still the best afaic.
It's supposed to be a bit grainy -- it's the Digital Reverb of the Valhalla family. For pure realism, use Room.
That said, the huge range of algorithms it offers now cover pretty much all the bases; Smooth Plate and Smooth Room are a lot loss grainy than other modes, for example.
But even the original-flavor Bright Hall still beats 98% of the competition, afaic, for Lexicon-style washes.
I also prefer it for rooms, even. I've extensively compared the Tiled Room preset in both Valhalla Room and Valhalla Vintage Verb, and while it's probably true nobody would know the difference in a Full Mix, I still lean toward VVV.
I must say, it's very nice to have a single, versatile, fifty-bucks plugin that covers all of my reverb needs. Cheers, Sean Costello / Valhalla.
Like many here, I grew up in the 80s, so perhaps the digital-verb sound is just "correct" to my ears
But I also find the streamlined control set of VVV preferable to Valhalla Room, which has two "pages" and, while indeed great sounding, requires a bit more tinkering.
It's supposed to be a bit grainy -- it's the Digital Reverb of the Valhalla family. For pure realism, use Room.
That said, the huge range of algorithms it offers now cover pretty much all the bases; Smooth Plate and Smooth Room are a lot loss grainy than other modes, for example.
But even the original-flavor Bright Hall still beats 98% of the competition, afaic, for Lexicon-style washes.
I also prefer it for rooms, even. I've extensively compared the Tiled Room preset in both Valhalla Room and Valhalla Vintage Verb, and while it's probably true nobody would know the difference in a Full Mix, I still lean toward VVV.
I must say, it's very nice to have a single, versatile, fifty-bucks plugin that covers all of my reverb needs. Cheers, Sean Costello / Valhalla.
Like many here, I grew up in the 80s, so perhaps the digital-verb sound is just "correct" to my ears
But I also find the streamlined control set of VVV preferable to Valhalla Room, which has two "pages" and, while indeed great sounding, requires a bit more tinkering.-
- KVRAF
- 23458 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
Btw.: just to make sure we're on the same page: I use the wrong word - I should have said in "Now" color, not mode, as mode are the algorithms...Ah_Dziz wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:54 pmin most modes. It works well on pads and long sustained effect sounds, but I hardly ever get a good sound for a mix out of it even with a good amount of fiddling. It's still better than lots of stuff, I'm just speaking relatively. I get way better results with Vroom.
"Preamps have literally one job: when you turn up the gain, it gets louder." Jamcat, talking about presmp-emulation plugins.
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- KVRAF
- 13196 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica
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- KVRAF
- 23458 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
Yes, I grew up in the 80's too, however I almost always prefer V³ set to 1970s color - even the 1980s setting usually sounds too clean and bright for my taste...mholloway wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:58 pm Like many here, I grew up in the 80s, so perhaps the digital-verb sound is just "correct" to my ears
"Preamps have literally one job: when you turn up the gain, it gets louder." Jamcat, talking about presmp-emulation plugins.
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- KVRAF
- 23458 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
For many of us it is indeed though, and a huge one at that.
"Preamps have literally one job: when you turn up the gain, it gets louder." Jamcat, talking about presmp-emulation plugins.
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- KVRAF
- 4049 posts since 2 Jul, 2005
The "now" age/ color setting is my favorite. Again I enjoy and use VVV all the time I just find it easier to get what I'm going for with VRoom in most cases. I just find it hard to get the shape... Or whatever the proper term is of VVV right for many of my uses. The reflections (early and late) seem to be a bit more sparse and grainy than I prefer so I just go to the other Valhalla reverbs so I can get where I want faster. For smooth sustained sounds VVV does great but something with a mix of percussive elements and sustained stuff ends up a bit too "echoey" for me. I could make it work but other tools just work better for me so I go with them.jens wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:02 pmBtw.: just to make sure we're on the same page: I use the wrong word - I should have said in "Now" color, not mode, as mode are the algorithms...Ah_Dziz wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:54 pmin most modes. It works well on pads and long sustained effect sounds, but I hardly ever get a good sound for a mix out of it even with a good amount of fiddling. It's still better than lots of stuff, I'm just speaking relatively. I get way better results with Vroom.
Don't F**K with Mr. Zero.
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- KVRAF
- 4049 posts since 2 Jul, 2005
The bottom line to me is that I've spent less money on reverbs than the lexicon bundle and I have dozens of choices. They are fine and may be a bit faster, but I generally keep my reverb very deep back in the mix ( outside of big effects ) so it is nice to have a huge variety of textures for my work moreso than nailing down one sound perfectly with minimal work.
Don't F**K with Mr. Zero.
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- KVRAF
- 4049 posts since 2 Jul, 2005
I have had lots of fun with the fireworx before. Hell I might grab one for that price. Honestly, other than very simple " add a bit of space to this sound" uses I almost always use further processing past just reverb to get the tones I want. I'd recommend saving chains with whatever you end up going with. Past that just go with what you like. There are plenty of perfectly lovely reverbs available these days. Like I mentioned, I go for for variety over something that will make the perfect sound quickly. Some of the neatest stuff I've made, reverb wise, was made with Melda mxxx. The feedback and nice modulation effects allow for some insane chains. It isn't the fastest way of working, but it's super flexible.Funkstar De Luxe2 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:07 pmAt the moment it's a Vermona DSR-3 (spring), RE-201 (spring), and TC Electronics Fireworx which I've spent many hours creating presets in, and some guitar pedals too. Oh, and a weird Viscount EFX-1. I've also used a few Convolution reverbs too, but I need more flexibility. I use some vintage plate reverbs, but they can be a real pain to get working now.Ah_Dziz wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:39 am I'd buy the lexicon stuff for that price too. I'm honestly not a huge reverb afficianado. I used the free epic verb plugin from bootsie as my go-to for years and got tons done. It almost always needed to be compressed and then ducked under the source and usually EQed, but it was extremely versatile for all types of sounds. I still use it from time to time just for fun.
What are you going for reverb wise? Just curious.
It's a creative environment studio I run, so I'm more interesting in a particular character of things more than a realistic reverb.
As a note, the TC Electronics Fireworx sounds great to me and offers a load of option. They are a bargain right now, I think I paid £100. Really recommend that.
Depending on your host you can build some crazy chains that can do amazing tones and be reused as easily as a single plugin (I use Bitwig for this).
Completely unrelated to this, I'd recommend building yourself a spring reverb ( if you have any soldering and design experience). They can be made for next to nothing and have tons of great uses even if you just put it in part of a feedback path.
Don't F**K with Mr. Zero.
