Reason+ = subscription model (20€ month)

[JackJackdaw]

I think when Reason came out and gave you a studio sim in a box, all the routing and rigging was a natural work flow or even an aspirational work flow for folks accustomed to a world of analog hardware but as software has advanced people just don't need to think like that anymore so Reason's core tenet is becoming irrelevant. I think that's why they are flailing around chasing other companies business models. Social networks let's do Alihoopa! Oh wait , no... Let's do mobile! Reason Compact , Oh wait, no... Loop and sound packs, let's do a subscription! All the flip flopping looks desperately lame to the core user base who just want a killer rack and a lean integrated Sequencer supported by regular quality of life upgrades that keep up with contemporary standards.

Personally, I am really happy with Reason 11 and I don't care much about the 'direction' of things in the future, but on the other hand, they won't get any more money out of me unless they sort out meat and potatoes stuff like VST3, multi timbral midi, sampling into the rack plugin etc.

[MuzikFreq]

So out of all my flipfloping all over the place as to what I want to focus on using, I really think Reason is going to be my go-to

The easy to find interface where I know where everything is and being able to do custom routings without figuring out menu systems
Time stretching anything just sounds amazing without needing really anything else (not as good as melodyne 5 but still better than elastique by miles)
Fun tools and effects that just work and look fun and can be experimental.
Easy access to an eq without having to constantly drag and drop one on every channel. Same with the compressor.
Just the overall I find I don't need to spend forever in menus but can usually just find what I'm looking for faster.

Music I'm into making is psytrance and otelher various kinds of trance. Sometimes a chill out kind of track I'll slap together just to play in the background in loop while I browse the web.

I tried the other and just can't get into them as much as I seem more compelled to just open reason and plug away at it.

Though I need to spend more time looking at the preset stuff as there's effects I had no idea was possible on it.

[Tronam]

So out of all my flipfloping all over the place as to what I want to focus on using, I really think Reason is going to be my go-to

The easy to find interface where I know where everything is and being able to do custom routings without figuring out menu systems
Time stretching anything just sounds amazing without needing really anything else (not as good as melodyne 5 but still better than elastique by miles)
Fun tools and effects that just work and look fun and can be experimental.
Easy access to an eq without having to constantly drag and drop one on every channel. Same with the compressor.
Just the overall I find I don't need to spend forever in menus but can usually just find what I'm looking for faster.

Music I'm into making is psytrance and otelher various kinds of trance. Sometimes a chill out kind of track I'll slap together just to play in the background in loop while I browse the web.

I tried the other and just can't get into them as much as I seem more compelled to just open reason and plug away at it.

Though I need to spend more time looking at the preset stuff as there's effects I had no idea was possible on it.

We complain a lot and may not agree with the direction Reason *appears* to be going in, but I suspect most of us are here because we care about the program and want it to thrive. I may not be using it as much lately, but the truth is that out of all the DAWs over the past 25 years it's where I've actually been the most productive. It is where I've done the most sound design, created the most synth patches from scratch along with 100s of combinators and modular effects, and have the most song project files (and they all still load perfectly after 20 years). I've always found it to be a fun and inspiring environment to work in, despite its limitations. I just hope in the next major overhaul RS addresses some aspects of the design which I think have aged poorly like the ridiculously tall (and hard to read) skeuomorphic mixer channels which only really work on a rotated 2nd monitor, or improvements to large project management/organization such as group folders and track freezing.

[Tronam]

antic604 on the ReasonTalk forums posted such a simple example of a small windowing change that would actually make me use the mixer more on a single monitor. I would certainly use this a lot more than the current help frame that lives there. It could even be thinner, updating dynamically to only display the currently active channel + master:

Reason v12.png

[MuzikFreq]

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We complain a lot and may not agree with the direction Reason *appears* to be going in, but I suspect most of us are here because we care about the program and want it to thrive. I may not be using it as much lately, but the truth is that out of all the DAWs over the past 25 years it's where I've actually been the most productive. It is where I've done the most sound design, created the most synth patches from scratch along with 100s of combinators and modular effects, and have the most song project files (and they all still load perfectly after 20 years). I've always found it to be a fun and inspiring environment to work in, despite its limitations. I just hope in the next major overhaul RS addresses some aspects of the design which I think have aged poorly like the ridiculously tall (and hard to read) skeuomorphic mixer channels which only really work on a rotated 2nd monitor, or improvements to large project management/organization such as group folders and track freezing.

They really need to address the mixer.
Would love an option for taking all the SSL stuff like the compressor, eq, ect. And put it in a button like the eq can open. And maybe a show hide button per channel for all the sends and returns.

Maybe work with softube to add native support for their console1/fader1 controller? I dunno.

[antic604]

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You can disable the help panel in Windows / Hide Tutorial

Also, if you're patient (because it doesn't get saved with project or template), you can use it like this which is almost as good, you can set it however wide you want and it does dynamically focus on selected track

[antic604]

Music I'm into making is psytrance...

Nice! Check the track "We Come in Peace" in my signature - it's Reason 10.2 project

[bangaio]

I think when Reason came out and gave you a studio sim in a box, all the routing and rigging was a natural work flow or even an aspirational work flow for folks accustomed to a world of analog hardware but as software has advanced people just don't need to think like that anymore so Reason's core tenet is becoming irrelevant. I think that's why they are flailing around chasing other companies business models. Social networks let's do Alihoopa! Oh wait , no... Let's do mobile! Reason Compact , Oh wait, no... Loop and sound packs, let's do a subscription! All the flip flopping looks desperately lame to the core user base who just want a killer rack and a lean integrated Sequencer supported by regular quality of life upgrades that keep up with contemporary standards.

Personally, I am really happy with Reason 11 and I don't care much about the 'direction' of things in the future, but on the other hand, they won't get any more money out of me unless they sort out meat and potatoes stuff like VST3, multi timbral midi, sampling into the rack plugin etc.

This 100 times. I don't care about hi res - I like the old low res stuff. I want a sequencer that gives me the tools I want within easy reach. No wasted space. No weird workflows. No f8. A better browser.

[bangaio]

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We complain a lot and may not agree with the direction Reason *appears* to be going in, but I suspect most of us are here because we care about the program and want it to thrive. I may not be using it as much lately, but the truth is that out of all the DAWs over the past 25 years it's where I've actually been the most productive. It is where I've done the most sound design, created the most synth patches from scratch along with 100s of combinators and modular effects, and have the most song project files (and they all still load perfectly after 20 years). I've always found it to be a fun and inspiring environment to work in, despite its limitations. I just hope in the next major overhaul RS addresses some aspects of the design which I think have aged poorly like the ridiculously tall (and hard to read) skeuomorphic mixer channels which only really work on a rotated 2nd monitor, or improvements to large project management/organization such as group folders and track freezing.

They really need to address the mixer.
Would love an option for taking all the SSL stuff like the compressor, eq, ect. And put it in a button like the eq can open. And maybe a show hide button per channel for all the sends and returns.

Maybe work with softube to add native support for their console1/fader1 controller? I dunno.

Even better just do what Logic and Bitwig do and have the current channel and the master showing. The mixer is the unsung hero - I prefer it to any mixer of any package out there. The rack = Reason. Pah!

[Tronam]

Even better just do what Logic and Bitwig do and have the current channel and the master showing. The mixer is the unsung hero - I prefer it to any mixer of any package out there. The rack = Reason. Pah!

I like the idea of classic mixer channels with dedicated effects, but monitors are wider than they are tall and vertical screen real estate is at a premium. I would even be fine with a wider channel mode that grouped the effects more like the majority of channel strip plugins so that it isn't necessary to continually scroll up 2 or 3 pages. I just don't think this design idea translates well to most monitors unless it's rotated vertically. The low-res graphics don't help with legibility either.

[gentleclockdivider]

But it is actually a good sign that they finally realize that they don't háve the capabilities to develop a DAW. Imagine how Reason could look like if they hadn't wasted manyears of development on the DAW!

Anyone who has been a genuinely involved user of Reason over the last 15 years or so knew, and also knew the devs were well aware. Don't get me wrong, for a basic DAW Reason functions just fine, but its never, ever, been a genuine focus point to Props. Ever.

Their rack is their only future and they knew this. The DAW announcements will continue to be a slow letdown to those who still believe, while milking them for more $$$ in the process hoping that those verbal 'high-res pls' people actually represent a huge need for high-res assets.

The main selling point for Record was it's daw /audio features (later merged in reason) , the problem is that they never gave love to the overall editing features /workflow , arcane paino roll editing etc.. ..stuck in a win 98 mode
Instead they focused on new shinny rack instruments while the rest moved on .
.Now all they got left is what put them on the map to begin with , a rack.
A rack as a vst because they neglected their own daw for years , it's like a fresh new start

[MuzikFreq]

I think when Reason came out and gave you a studio sim in a box, all the routing and rigging was a natural work flow or even an aspirational work flow for folks accustomed to a world of analog hardware but as software has advanced people just don't need to think like that anymore so Reason's core tenet is becoming irrelevant. I think that's why they are flailing around chasing other companies business models. Social networks let's do Alihoopa! Oh wait , no... Let's do mobile! Reason Compact , Oh wait, no... Loop and sound packs, let's do a subscription! All the flip flopping looks desperately lame to the core user base who just want a killer rack and a lean integrated Sequencer supported by regular quality of life upgrades that keep up with contemporary standards.

Personally, I am really happy with Reason 11 and I don't care much about the 'direction' of things in the future, but on the other hand, they won't get any more money out of me unless they sort out meat and potatoes stuff like VST3, multi timbral midi, sampling into the rack plugin etc.

This 100 times. I don't care about hi res - I like the old low res stuff. I want a sequencer that gives me the tools I want within easy reach. No wasted space. No weird workflows. No f8. A better browser.

Keep seeing people talk about the browser... What wrong with it?



EDIT: OMG! I found this out by accident


Well.... That solves that issue with the mixer being stupidly huge
Each section label can be double clicked to hide it

orrrr where it says in tiny text on the map next to the Master channel you can just hit those buttons and even hide the faders

[bangaio]

The mixer is actually spot on - that's not where the wasted space is unless of course you collapse everything. The mixer gives me access to EQ, compression, gain all in one place and I can fold the bits I don't need.

The browser though... where to start!

Because some devices that are built in to reason are basically REs there are two places to find these. There is no labelling like Bitwig. You have to double click everything to select it - sometimes it changes a patch and other times adds a device. Visually is is a mess and looks like a file browser from the late 90s. Sometimes I press open on a device and it takes me to the actual correct folder, other times it takes me to the desktop for the fun of it. Default patches are found in both the factory and reason sounds folders. It just needs a ground up rewrite and some love.

[pekbro]

I like Reason a lot, though I haven't upgraded from 10. Mostly because I have a lot of trouble with it.
Primarily that it cannot handle the number of vst's I have and it cannot seem to cope with midi device
changes overly well ime. I use HW mostly these days and find Reason to be both very good for HW and
very bad at the same time. For me a sub would be pointless, even if I was interested in that.

[MuzikFreq]

The mixer is actually spot on - that's not where the wasted space is unless of course you collapse everything. The mixer gives me access to EQ, compression, gain all in one place and I can fold the bits I don't need.

The browser though... where to start!

Because some devices that are built in to reason are basically REs there are two places to find these. There is no labelling like Bitwig. You have to double click everything to select it - sometimes it changes a patch and other times adds a device. Visually is is a mess and looks like a file browser from the late 90s. Sometimes I press open on a device and it takes me to the actual correct folder, other times it takes me to the desktop for the fun of it. Default patches are found in both the factory and reason sounds folders. It just needs a ground up rewrite and some love.

huh?
I don't have to double click anything to select anything... you sure your PC isn't having an issue?
2 Places to find REs? I know there's the presets and then there's the direct page but I don't see that as an issue either. Also the opening to desktop I only got when saving a project which I solved by adding a projects folder and adding it to the side bar