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Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:36 am

just don't act like it's new, it's not. it's damn good pop. end of story. stop trying to be something you are not.

melomood · Post by **melomood** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:41 am

Dasheesh wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:19 am pop is specific, and it makes a shit ton of money, if you can give up and just do it. hard to do.

Wow
I had to go back to this mess to see what you were on about

Pop is an almagamation of every style of music you can imagine
old and new
If you can mix it together to produce a song that makes a shit ton of money
you just done made a pop song

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:44 am

correct. it's not stupid, it's giving up your identity. your ego. hard to do. it takes practice.

Unaspected · Post by **Unaspected** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:04 am

Spring Goose wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:20 am
vurt wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:49 am
Spring Goose wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:57 pm Top 40 = pop

?
you started the thread, it's up to you!
do you mean "the genre" or do you mean "popular music as in music that was popular enough to chart?"?
hehe i'll let you go with Top 40 Vurt being that i hadn't said differently. I don't disagree with you actually, anything that was popular enough to make top 40 is pop.

I would consider any act that is polished to a "pop" production standard can be considered as pop - especially if they have entered the Billboard charts - doesn't have to be as high as top 40 or even to have made much money. If money is a consideration then a lot of classical music is also pop music.

For me the separation occurs when music becomes challenging to listen to. Invent Animate sounds poppy to my ears; whilst Meth Drinker does not - there is an obvious, audible difference in production standards - though both bands sound great to me. However, I would consider Kylesa to be more poppy: though both Meth Drinker and Kylesa are clearly stoner bands, Kylesa have higher production standards and charted.

But top 40 only? Okay.

I wanted to post some Bat For Lashes and was sure they must have charted high but I see they only reached #64 with The Haunted Man. This should be safe though:

Spring Goose · Post by **Spring Goose** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:26 am

OK just some thoughts: There are at least two ideas of what pop music "is". One is chart/top 40. The other is that pop is a quality and genre of its own right, excluding for example rock which is a separate genre, and excluding for example indie and indie/dance which are separate genres. This idea of pop has pop production values which aren't very strict.

Some examples: Is Elastica - Line Up a pop music song? No it's indie.
Is Pulp - Common People a pop music song? Yes
Is The Boo Radleys - Wake Up Boo a pop music song? Yes
There's lots of examples of rock to be found in the history of British chart/top 40 (i can't speak for anywhere else) which are in fact pop/rock ergo yes it's pop.

Underworld - Born Slippy, is a difficult one. Is it pop? Taken from the soundtrack to the original Trainspotting movie, it reached i think top 5 in the British charts/top 40. I could suggest that actually it's indie/dance which is a separate genre, but i think like Chumbawumba - Tupthumping and like Reef - Place Your Hands it is actually a pop song done in a techno style.
Is 2Unlimited - No Limit a pop song? I think yes it is. There's a few examples of dance, techno, or trance styles reaching top 10 in British charts/top 40 in the early 1990s, i think in fact most of these songs are a pop song.

This is/was just some thoughts. I'm not saying that i'm right.

excuse me please · Post by **excuse me please** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:40 am

"Born slippy" is an euphemism of "getting dumped."

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:28 pm

let's do a thought experiment over maple sausages and coffee beer this morning.

if i take chris brown out of these tracks what do you have? you have midi tracks done by ai, possibly midi presets, and spire presets sold for spire, and kontakt cinematic instrument presets. being that they are using kontakt, i'll go out on a limb and say it's a NI drum machine as well (seems reasonable). so, it's a karaoke track. it's midi presets playing presets. but, then you ad something to it, chris brown is a talent. he can sing and dance his ass off. now you made millions.

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:29 pm

you had to bring SOMETHING to the table. and, if you think that is easy for chris brown you' wrong.

excuse me please · Post by **excuse me please** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:35 pm

Of course it's not easy. Otherwise, I would not be hanging around here procrastinating

donkey tugger · Post by **donkey tugger** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:38 pm

Dasheesh wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:29 pm you had to bring SOMETHING to the table. and, if you think that is easy for chris brown you' wrong.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand ... 36352.html

Bustling medium pace as a player, and good judgemental skills which have seen him accede to the test umpires panel at an early age.

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:55 pm

you know what that SOMETHING was for me? i could patch and play keyboards. i've done it a very long time, and nobody needs that anymore. it's no longer necessary. people don't buy, or pay for musicians, unless they are young enough to take their shirts off. they pay for content.

case in point.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:44 pm

Dasheesh wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:01 am prince is long gone.

stars die.
legends last forever.

chris who?

e@rs · Post by **e@rs** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:02 pm

The guy that beat RiRi.

Unaspected · Post by **Unaspected** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:57 pm

Spring Goose wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:26 am OK just some thoughts: There are at least two ideas of what pop music "is". One is chart/top 40. The other is that pop is a quality and genre of its own right, excluding for example rock which is a separate genre, and excluding for example indie and indie/dance which are separate genres. This idea of pop has pop production values which aren't very strict.

Some examples: Is Elastica - Line Up a pop music song? No it's indie.
Is Pulp - Common People a pop music song? Yes
Is The Boo Radleys - Wake Up Boo a pop music song? Yes
There's lots of examples of rock to be found in the history of British chart/top 40 (i can't speak for anywhere else) which are in fact pop/rock ergo yes it's pop.

Underworld - Born Slippy, is a difficult one. Is it pop? Taken from the soundtrack to the original Trainspotting movie, it reached i think top 5 in the British charts/top 40. I could suggest that actually it's indie/dance which is a separate genre, but i think like Chumbawumba - Tupthumping and like Reef - Place Your Hands it is actually a pop song done in a techno style.
Is 2Unlimited - No Limit a pop song? I think yes it is. There's a few examples of dance, techno, or trance styles reaching top 10 in British charts/top 40 in the early 1990s, i think in fact most of these songs are a pop song.

This is/was just some thoughts. I'm not saying that i'm right.

Of course. All just opinions but we're all entitled to hold and share them.

I would class Elastica as pop but I'll give it another go...

Lockdown music.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:00 pm

e@rs wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:02 pm The guy that beat RiRi.

i assume on americas got talent?
and riri is? also famous?

oh well, all money for simon cowell then i suppose?

i do enjoy some pop, im not anti, im just out of touch.
eg, i do like a few katy perry songs, and beyonce has done a few that, if i was at a wedding or something and they played them, id embarrass myself having a dance.

but a lot of the bits i hear on the radio in the shop, have no real substance, not even a hook in many of them, so the better ones are far more noticeable too.
so i have definitely forgot about most of them before i even leave the shop, nothing as an earworm or anything, that's not good pop music!
there's pop i can't stand, but if i even think about it, let alone hear a few bars, it's stuck in my head for days! that's good pop! stickability!

What are your favourite or best sounding pop music songs?