Finally the very good news from Steinberg!!!

[Kypresso]

That jogs my memory on, what was it, yesterday there. That was it will be something you can decide to authorize offline, but if you don't have to do the air gap bit it's something you have to once in a while go online to I guess a cloud server to verify. Other vendors were mentioned, eg., Presonus Sphere every 3 days and some others varying in ranges. SWAM, 39 days I think it was to 30 days for a couple of 'em.
But that post may be gone, I didn't see it checking just now. It isn't in Announcements and I don't know where else it would have been. Otherwise I've only looked at Cubase forum... ok I give up. Posts are not dated until you click on them and this is tedium.

I think that post was by a guy from the dorico forum, if i remember correctly.

[jancivil]

Even if I would quote some Steinberg reps now, someone would say that it's all lies. Amirite?

Until someone does it's rumor countering rumor. I've seen posts which are probably no longer there, and was seeing the initial posts pretty fresh, so, not to do argument from ignorance but I have not seen that they absolutely will develop their own platform. It sounds like them, but at this writing they're holding anything of the sort close to their chest.

[jancivil]

That jogs my memory on, what was it, yesterday there. That was it will be something you can decide to authorize offline, but if you don't have to do the air gap bit it's something you have to once in a while go online to I guess a cloud server to verify. Other vendors were mentioned, eg., Presonus Sphere every 3 days and some others varying in ranges. SWAM, 39 days I think it was to 30 days for a couple of 'em.
But that post may be gone, I didn't see it checking just now. It isn't in Announcements and I don't know where else it would have been. Otherwise I've only looked at Cubase forum... ok I give up. Posts are not dated until you click on them and this is tedium.

I think that post was by a guy from the dorico forum, if i remember correctly.

You are correct:
The new system will not use a hardware key of any kind, but it will require a periodic call to a license server on the Internet, unless you expressly choose an offline activation (for an air-gapped computer that cannot connect to the Internet).

However, it will not be required that you are connected to the Internet at all times when using the software, and although we don’t yet know what the interval for mandatory license checks will be, I would expect it to be in line with the policies followed by other software vendors. Microsoft requires you to reconnect once every 39 days; Adobe once every 99 days; PreSonus Sphere once every 3 days; EastWest ComposerCloud every 30 days; and so on.

We also anticipate that it will be possible to authorise the software on more than one computer, but, again, the details remain to be worked out.

You can rest assured that we will let you know what we have decided in good time before the introduction of the new license management system, and that we are listening to all the feedback we have been receiving since we made this announcement last week (and indeed for many years before that).

For the time being, I’m going to now close this thread to new posts. When there is more information to share, we will do so.
- D Spreadbury with a Steiny graphic by his name

[chk071]

Even if I would quote some Steinberg reps now, someone would say that it's all lies. Amirite?

Until someone does it's rumor countering rumor.

If you take a look at the thread, I quoted Steinberg reps more than once, and, anything else I wrote is based on what I read from Steinberg reps.

It's unfortunate that, even if you do that, people argue that it's all lies by a "multinational corporation", which is none. Some people really have a ridiculous imagination of the audio software business.

And, yes, they are developing their own platform. I read a post from one of the company reps in one of the threads which first hinted on the new system (which I can't find now...), and there's also a thread which I did find, which hints on the system being based on the Steinberg ID: https://forums.steinberg.net/t/dongle-f ... /705565/14

The new licensing system will be based around your Steinberg ID, i.e. the email address you use to access MySteinberg, technical support, and so on.

[EnGee]

According to the reps, they are working on their own system. Which means that it won't be iLok.

Dunno about net authorization, but, I'm pretty sure that it will involve that. What else really?

Yes. Mostly this I guess. Anyway, for me, I will try to sell my Steinberg products with minimum loss possible.
Anyway, I feel great with Bitwig and their excellent support. I also have other three DAWs as backup Still can't trust companies (they are worst than people )

[jancivil]

Even if I would quote some Steinberg reps now, someone would say that it's all lies. Amirite?

Until someone does it's rumor countering rumor.

If you take a look at the thread, I quoted Steinberg reps more than once, and, anything else I wrote is based on what I read from Steinberg reps.

Maybe less noise and more signal would be a good idea. I'm not trying to read all of that. What I did see was your pg 1 "As I wrote, I'll be damned if that doesn't mean some kind of subscription system.". At the time I did recall correctly that they were emphatic that this wouldn't happen, and this was long before I came here to see what the buzz was.

The new licensing system will be based around your Steinberg ID, i.e. the email address you use to access MySteinberg, technical support, and so on.

This means they are certain to develop their own platform? I'm not an IT person.

[chk071]

Even if I would quote some Steinberg reps now, someone would say that it's all lies. Amirite?

Until someone does it's rumor countering rumor.

If you take a look at the thread, I quoted Steinberg reps more than once, and, anything else I wrote is based on what I read from Steinberg reps.

Maybe less noise and more signal would be a good idea. I'm not trying to read all of that. What I did see was your pg 1 "As I wrote, I'll be damned if that doesn't mean some kind of subscription system.". At the time I did recall correctly that they were emphatic that this wouldn't happen, and this was long before I came here to see what the buzz was.

Ok, guilty then. Anything what I wrote on the last few pages is definitely based on what I read on the Steinberg forums from Steinberg reps.

The new licensing system will be based around your Steinberg ID, i.e. the email address you use to access MySteinberg, technical support, and so on.

This means they are certain to develop their own platform? I'm not an IT person.

Well... unless they hire a different company to develop a copy protection for them, which is based on the Steinberg ID, I would say that pretty much says that they're developing their own platform. At least I fail to see how iLok, or any other copy protection would work with a Steinberg ID.

[jancivil]

According to the reps, they are working on their own system. Which means that it won't be iLok.

Dunno about net authorization, but, I'm pretty sure that it will involve that. What else really?

Yes. Mostly this I guess. Anyway, for me, I will try to sell my Steinberg products with minimum loss possible.
Anyway, I feel great with Bitwig and their excellent support. I also have other three DAWs as backup Still can't trust companies (they are worst than people )

Yeah, if one needs support, Steinberg appears to do nothing today. I needed actual tech support once since like 2003, this month.
I had a massive issue for a week or two weeks, nothing from them except the auto acknowledge (with a warning 'we're very busy with support requests these days'), but then a second follow up, 'are you still having the issue'. I was. It was the single craziest issue I've ever heard of. With any MIDI track set to Channel = Any in the project, editing was impossible as it threw an exception "Ramp curves on tracks set to Channel = Any is not supported" at every move. Edit Tempo Track, move a MIDI event in Project Window. Touch the edge of the computer... this error pops in, letting no click happen. And so I went to write it up for a bug report, and it vanished completely. Happened immediately after the update to 11.0.10 which I would doubt was coincidence, yet it was.

[jancivil]

The new licensing system will be based around your Steinberg ID, i.e. the email address you use to access MySteinberg, technical support, and so on.

This means they are certain to develop their own platform? I'm not an IT person.

Well... unless they hire a different company to develop a copy protection for them, which is based on the Steinberg ID, I would say that pretty much says that they're developing their own platform. At least I fail to see how iLok, or any other copy protection would work with a Steinberg ID.

Ok, that makes some sense. thanks for the reply

[dellboy]

So how does this new method help an international music producer who needs to access Cubase wherever they are in the world ?

It used to be that they took the licence with them in their pocket and could use any computer, anywhere. Now they will have two licences tied to two computers. So one licence on a desktop in the studio, and another licence on a laptop which is now in effect a huge dongle which they have to lug around everywhere instead.

[chk071]

Somehow the people who don't use Cubase, and don't have a dongle are perfectly able to make music.

And, the "international music producer" you are talking about surely has some space for his laptop. He doesn't even need to install Cubase on the computer he uses then, because it's already installed.

[OscSync]

Is there an ETA of when an announcement is expected? Presumably it’s in place before 11.5

[EnGee]

Yeah, if one needs support, Steinberg appears to do nothing today. I needed actual tech support once since like 2003, this month.
I had a massive issue for a week or two weeks, nothing from them except the auto acknowledge (with a warning 'we're very busy with support requests these days'), but then a second follow up, 'are you still having the issue'. I was. It was the single craziest issue I've ever heard of. With any MIDI track set to Channel = Any in the project, editing was impossible as it threw an exception "Ramp curves on tracks set to Channel = Any is not supported" at every move. Edit Tempo Track, move a MIDI event in Project Window. Touch the edge of the computer... this error pops in, letting no click happen. And so I went to write it up for a bug report, and it vanished completely. Happened immediately after the update to 11.0.10 which I would doubt was coincidence, yet it was.

You are on Mac and I believe Cubase is more stable on Mac nowadays. Anyway, it is great that support did followed up!
My problem is not easy to fix in Cubase. It is related to other drivers of nVidia, Ethernet ...etc. It is CPU spikes at random periods with a noise (not high noise, but you can hear it clearly). The only fix (or almost a fix) was to downgrade from v11 to v10 (the latest update didn't solve the problem). I don't know really why I should stay with Cubase!

I haven't invested a lot in Cubase, although I used it the most, but I don't care a lot about my very old projects (let them die!). So, it is easy for me to choose whatever I feel more comfortable with. These days, Bitwig is ticking all the points I care for, so mostly I'm staying with it and keep investing time, money and effort into it

[OscSync]

Well to answer my own question it seems like it’s a while off judging by the quotes in this thread.

[KYes]

Call me old fashioned but solving the issue of a license server outage by introducing a cp scheme that requires checking its license periodically doesn't seem the smartest idea to me.