MTurboReverb preset making action, let's make the ultimate reverb! ;)

[Tagirijus]

300 bucks? For a reverb????? (...) Who on earth wants to pay that much for a reverb?

Professionals will do so. Even me as a non-earning-that-much person would invest money for good gear, as long as it helps me do my job with which I pay my expenses (also since I can lower taxes with such expenses). CR is 200$ and CRP is 400$. And besides Melda-Products have sales quite regularly, which can make MTR going down to maybe 150€.

For me, it’s about the sound and CRP sounds incredible, works really well with ambisonic projects as well as stereo.

Since you seem to use CR, maybe you can answer my question from above: is it an algorithmic reverb or not? I seriously do not know yet want to know it.

I have to say I don't see creating your own reverb algos as a advantage. If I spent much money I want the plugin to do the work, else I'd buy Reaktor or Plug'n'Script and that's it. But that seems a Meldaproduction thing: first you needed to build your own UI, now the processing

Many Melda plugins aren't for people, who just want to have a tool without the need to "do something" for it, that's right. And it's totally ok to not like or not use the plugins then. Respecting these plugins for what they are and how they are (maybe rather intended for people, who like to be in control and just like to tweak things a lot), they are certainly incredible. I think one should mention this, to be fair.

And by the way: I'd probably never be able to come up with any plugin in Reakter as fast as I can do it in Melda tools (e.g. MXXX or MSF). Reaktor might be mightier, but it also is way more difficult and maybe more CPU hungry. Also it loads up waaaaay longer than all Melda tools (that's just something I personally just like, haha).

Which has the same negative effect as with waves or Plugin Alliance: knowing they're not worth more than half of the money and you somehow being ripped off at full price.

It's a win-loos situation as almost always with marketing. Some people like it, other people won't. I, for example, just hate Magix for having one of their video deluxe thing cut software on sale for ever, at least last year and even at the moment ... wow ... I call THIS ridiculous and mucking around with customers. By the way; this strategy is called "Fear of missing something". And I am not even using this crappy video editor anymore, since I found Hitfilm Express. ... well that's life after all.

[nichttuntun]

I paid around 99 for MTR or even less back in the days as they got incredible discounts offer for customers with their option to fully bundle upgrade. Now I'm a full bundle user and the thing with Melda is...even if you spent 300 for a single plugin (there's no need as they have great discounts over the year) ...

Pay to own! The amount of spent money is counted in if you upgrade to a certain bundle

Lifetime update warranty (and damn those updates are huge and very frequent). Updates are FREE

No dongle, no CR, no BS. Actual full true ownership.

Incredible new entries for you if you own a bundle or a single plugin, like MDrummer.They added a huge tons of GB multi sample Update in excellent quality for free for it recently. There are certain companies who charge a leg and a arm for already only 10% of that content.

Future save...they just make it work on your system

Constantly improvements. Small very useful ones and big deep technical ones

Impart of betas and secret alphas long long before release

They really listen to you.Vojtech and Luke are amazing supporters as well as coders


To drive it a bit further...If again from time to time there is new and incredible positive rave about a new digital plugin like Soothe(2) for example... Melda already did it long time before and far far better with features far beyond and total control of everything, if you want that. You can always choose the easy modes too but with all Melda stuff there is a treasure chest to open under the first layer.

Concluding, investing in Melda gives you a much more relaxed time and makes you decide easily if you really need that "spectacular new" plugin. Or maybe you already got a Turbo version of it in your arsenal.

Any new astonishing effects processor? You literally can build or re-engineer everything in MXXX. I am always interested in new synths and I tracked Blade2, Vital, Warlock, many more and now the new modular one from Tracktion...they all offer nothing what MSoundfactory can't do...

...another great thing is which other brands have a hard time doing. If you got MSoundfactory, you get all of their full editable effects on board completely (for usage within the synths systems effects matrix). Shame on another company which name I don't want to name which force you to buy their effects additionally for their synth system. It is a synth btw many where raving about.

Could go on for ever.

[Tagirijus]

Vital, (...).they all offer nothing what MSoundfactory can't do...

To be fair here: isn't Vital spectral based, while MSF isn't?

[nichttuntun]

MSF has the Modal, Wavetable and Additive module on board. You can't go more spectral.

[Tagirijus]

Sorry to ask further, but: isn't spectral == full frequency spectrum? While e.g. the Modal filter or the Additive module can only have up to 256 or the latter one only 67 harmonics. How it is with the WT I do not really now how this works in MSF.

Thanks for clarifying!

[WasteLand]

Sorry to ask further, but: isn't spectral == full frequency spectrum? While e.g. the Modal filter or the Additive module can only have up to 256 or the latter one only 67 harmonics. How it is with the WT I do not really now how this works in MSF.

Thanks for clarifying!

spectral is additive + noise, i.e. inharmonics. additive isn't spectral, because does not contain inharmonics (odd/even harmonics yes, of course, that is something different).

spectral works with windows, and the window can be short, 1024, or long, 8192, a spectrum analyzer defaults most of the time to: 4096. this window determines the resolution, the same as partials and bins...

i believe the wavetable generator is additive in MSF, you can see it...

o by the way, spectral and additive are both based on FFT.

a normal, or standard single cycle wave, a slot in a wavetable, is 2048 samples (the standard can be more or less), but you only see 1024 bins. a developer tried to explain me, i get it, at a very basic level why this is.

a bin contains frequency, amplitude, phase. (not all additive synth show the phase by the way...)

this means you can detach Freq, Amp and Phase, and time... but that is something i still must experiment with..

how long a window is determines of course the quality, more specific the frequency range.

so spectral isn't by definition the full spectrum. in depends on the window, see a lot of Melda plugins, that depend on those windows.

and you can have a spectrogram of a complete wav file... still works with windows.. o that is another discussion i had, on a another forum. i am nó expert, but some things i know.. it was a theorital discussion. sorry for my typical digression.

spectral/FFT is the future in my opinion, next to what is already available, and yes, i thought what you can do, and there was frequency domain for VCV rack, and for example EMIT for ableton...

spectral + granular.... yeah!!

not a very clear post, sorry.

fascinating it is spectral. (and there isn't much available, but a lot of Melda plugins can do spectral stuff, and with some imagination, you can do 'warping'. MMorph is by the way, thé example of spectral morphing, in a advanced way. i also have spectralayers pro 7, where i do things by hand... molding, is kind of morphing, in spectralayers.)

this is MTurboReverb discussion, i know. but even, because i used it a week ago, MTurboDelayMB, has also spectral capabilities. in way in many Melda plugins spectral is a part, and you can use it, for spectral stuff...

EDIT: MTurboReverb i use, and i always had my phases (...) that i buy reverbs, compressors, in a row, so a nice arsenal of reverbs, MTurboReverb i must really discover yet. (MCompleteBundle i have, yes yoda talk, i like it, because my posts aren't clear.. mainly i try, while writing, to get more grip on the subject, and sometimes people do get it.. so MTurboReverb was late to the party, when i acquired MCompleteBundle, planned... and it is a beast, yet to discover..)

[nichttuntun]

Hi. Thank you for your explanation.
As Melda is already experienced on the spectral field I think there will be a module in MSF some day as they are constantly adding things.

In the additive module for example you can modulate each harmonic individually.

I got Gladiator 3 but I do not hear anything so special which can't be achieved with MSF. Those different techniques sound very similar to me.

Sorry for being so far away from the MTR subject.

[WasteLand]

Hi. Thank you for your explanation.
As Melda is already experienced on the spectral field I think there will be a module in MSF some day as they are constantly adding things.

In the additive module for example you can modulate each harmonic individually.

I got Gladiator 3 but I do not hear anything so special which can't be achieved with MSF. Those different techniques sound very similar to me.

Sorry for being so far away from the MTR subject.

in a way we stay on the MTurboReverb topic, because of the possibilities. and the framework for melda plugins is always the same, more or less. i like that.

i hope indeed for more spectral stuff in MSoundFactory. Gladiator 3, i didn't know, seems great, like Warlock, or Icarus. but still, i also have Zebra 2 (and HZ), and some other additive synths... tempting Gladiator, and Warlock.. there aren't a lot..

ok back to reverbs, shall fire up MTurboReverb today on simply a sample loop... and go crazy*...

*not because of the GUI or workflow, but because of the possibilities, mangle them!, so a positive thing....

EDIT: Melda has a lot of experience with Spectral synthesis. in many (or many) a lot of modules depend on it, and as i said, with imagination, you can get spectral results, but it would be also nice to have...

no Reverbs! Turbo on! (knightrider???)

[nichttuntun]

[simmo75]

Sorry to ask further, but: isn't spectral == full frequency spectrum? While e.g. the Modal filter or the Additive module can only have up to 256 or the latter one only 67 harmonics. How it is with the WT I do not really now how this works in MSF.

Thanks for clarifying!

Cinematic Rooms is an algorithmic reverb.

[Soundplex]

I read some times in here MTR is used for early reflections. Just saying, they are only short delays with a bit of panning and/or filtering and I use UVI Relayer for that very often. When you already own 2 or 3 reverbs I don't think turboreverb is worth as addition. There are some groundbreaking good sounding reverbs out there or some with new imo must have features (Adaptiverb e.g.). Don't know, I never had the feeling I miss something MTurboReverb would cover or invent.

[Tagirijus]

Cinematic Rooms is an algorithmic reverb.

Thanks for the info!

[E_Anderson]

I am always interested in new synths and I tracked Blade2, Vital, Warlock, many more and now the new modular one from Tracktion...they all offer nothing what MSoundfactory can't do...

...another great thing is which other brands have a hard time doing. If you got MSoundfactory, you get all of their full editable effects on board completely (for usage within the synths systems effects matrix). Shame on another company which name I don't want to name which force you to buy their effects additionally for their synth system. It is a synth btw many where raving about.

Could go on for ever.

Suffice it to say, workflow matters. Phase Plant is an incredibly designed, great-sounding synth the effects of which can be used externally. Melda plugins are amazing and amazingly deep but it can easily be overkill for a lot of simple tasks especially imo in the case of MSF. That software is for going deep; MTR is as well but seems in spite of its equal creative potential still more utilitarian. Very excited to test MTR, CRP and Pro-R vs. Nimbus/R4 and some others. I have a feeling the Exponential Audio plugins will fill my want for CRP, but we'll see; just that my palette is whetted for designing ERs and algorithms and just hitting "random"/seed generator... I've been doing some research leading up to the demos. Research on reverb design.

I read some times in here MTR is used for early reflections. Just saying, they are only short delays with a bit of panning and/or filtering and I use UVI Relayer for that very often. When you already own 2 or 3 reverbs I don't think turboreverb is worth as addition. There are some groundbreaking good sounding reverbs out there or some with new imo must have features (Adaptiverb e.g.). Don't know, I never had the feeling I miss something MTurboReverb would cover or invent.

Thanks for the pointer on Relayer, that certainly looks interesting. Not sure they offer a demo, didn't look that far, but it's probably worth a try. Not sure it's going to approach the level of depth of MTR though that's typically something I associate with UVI products. Granted I do need some degree of balance between depth and usability.

If anyone finds themselves wanting after Blackhole, shimmer reverbs, and more standard sounds, I think MTR is probably worth a look. But with the caveat of said customer being ready for the time investment necessary to be able to do that sort of thing to their satisfaction, instead of just forking over the cash for the individual products that have already polished that sound and packaged it in a useful interface. (barring the fact that MTR appears to already have a nice-sounding shimmer preset, and may also have a nice-sounding Blackhole-esque preset; otherwise, it's certainly capable of making those but again: time)

[caulixtla]

have a nice-sounding Blackhole-esque preset

Go to “Large Spaces” and try out the “Gravity Well” preset. People have said it sounds a lot like Blackhole.

[Tagirijus]

Hey people of CR - I did some testings the last days, finally ... while I really find this iLok Account thing ridiculous. My personal feedback so far: I absolutely cannot understand the hype with CR. To me it sounds rather flat in contrast to ValhallaRoom, which can sound really "roomy". Tbh: I only checked the non-pro version so far. Maybe more options in the pro version might alter the sound more. I am still not impressed by now, hehe.