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juno987654321 · Post by **juno987654321** » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:36 am

Who can tell me how the sounds can be made that start at 0:46 min.?
What's the scratching technique and what sounds should be on the original vinyl to get such results?

Etienne1973 · Post by **Etienne1973** » Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:15 am

I hear a vox phrase on the vinyl repeated with fast backward motion, sampled, heavy saturated/distorted and then that sample rhythmically triggered with a slowly opening low pass filter applied.

juno987654321 · Post by **juno987654321** » Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:53 pm

Thank you but I have no clue what most of these terms mean.
Can you explain this to a me please and is there any way I could see how all of this is actually done step by step? I've been doing some experiments with synthesizers but scratching techniques are new to me. I'd like to broaden my horizon.

Etienne1973 · Post by **Etienne1973** » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:53 pm

I'm no dj. Can only imagine how that's been done.

There's a short human voice shout (example) on a vinyl record, right?

What audience doesn't hear:

I'm monitoring my second turntable through my headphones. I found a phrase, search its beginning and my fingers prevent the record from spinning. Then I mix in that turntable and wait for the right moment.

What audience hears:

I let it play and quickly spin back the record to the beginning of that phrase, let go (let it play again) and repeat that process rhythmically in sync with the music's beat.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:08 pm

https://www.wikihow.com/Scratch-or-Be-a-Turntablist

juno987654321 · Post by **juno987654321** » Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:24 pm

I am not sure. I mean I've heard many scratch sounds in my life but it never sounded like that. I don't know. What can I do to find out if I cannot reach the artists themselves and ask them?

TW5011 · Post by **TW5011** » Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:25 am

To me it doesn't sound like a turntable scratch -- it sounds digital. I'd guess they used a tool like Stutter Edit by iZotope, or Dmitry Sches Tantra (sold through Plugin Alliance now), or Gatekeeper by Polyverse (just to chop up the sample rhythmically). All those tools can take a loop or long sample and make it interesting. The first two I listed add effects to the rhythmic changes. I have all three and find them inspiring when some rhythmic background sound is needed.

As far as the slowly-changing effects, it sounded like a filter (like high-pass or low-pass or both) from an EQ being opened up. Just experiment and you might come up with something better.

juno987654321 · Post by **juno987654321** » Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:16 am

TW5011 wrote: Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:25 am To me it doesn't sound like a turntable scratch -- it sounds digital. I'd guess they used a tool like Stutter Edit by iZotope, or Dmitry Sches Tantra (sold through Plugin Alliance now), or Gatekeeper by Polyverse (just to chop up the sample rhythmically). All those tools can take a loop or long sample and make it interesting. The first two I listed add effects to the rhythmic changes. I have all three and find them inspiring when some rhythmic background sound is needed.

As far as the slowly-changing effects, it sounded like a filter (like high-pass or low-pass or both) from an EQ being opened up. Just experiment and you might come up with something better.

Could you please try to recreate this with the plugins you have if you think you could do it and you find the time? I don't know how to do this. Maybe if this worked you could explain how you did it and post your result so eveybody could benefit? I'm sure more people would like to know more about this.

Tj Shredder · Post by **Tj Shredder** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:43 am

If at all it was a scratch, later it was simply looped. This is individual sound design. There is no plugin that would do it. You should rather look for that loop itself. If it doesn’t exist to buy you have to create it yourself... If it was done live, good luck, you have to learn how to make your own sounds...

juno987654321 · Post by **juno987654321** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:02 pm

Tj Shredder wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:43 am you have to learn how to make your own sounds...

I would LOVE TO learn how to recreate this sound in particular!
God, someone must know more about it! I'm so interested in that one sound and I keep asking people who might know how to recreate it. But it's a mystery to people who have been doing sound design for a loooong time, though it's such a famous sound. Millions of people were dancing to it on that love parade and many millions more still do today. Strange, isn't it? How did they create this thing?...

DMG68 · Post by **DMG68** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:08 pm

Sounds like an ooh or woo vocal, could be any word that has an ooo in it really. Just a short scratch that is sampled and played back with a filter and some distortion or saturation, it seems. As said above.
Quick forward and back scratch then release for the ‘ooh’ then a quick pull back. Nothing odd about the actual scratch, sounds common enough.

Tj Shredder · Post by **Tj Shredder** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:18 pm

This sound could well have been an happy accident even Dr. Motte could not redo today. If you start making your own sounds and stop focussing on recreating sounds and be frustrated because you couldn’t nail it, you will get to the point where you find wonderful sounds you never imagined. This particular sound is less important than you might think for the success of such a set. Its the path which is important not the goal...
My bests sounds I made in my life I can’t recreate exactly the way it was. But what I learned along the road I can rely on, to create other, different and in the end more rewarding sounds any time...
The secret is to have fun in the first place it, will lead you on your very own path...

juno987654321 · Post by **juno987654321** » Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:47 pm

So I'm looking for someone really experienced who would take it as a challenge, actually recreate this sound and explain how he or she did it. Recreating sounds can get extremely difficult at times and it needs lots of expertise. Explaining it on top of this would be even more difficult. I know...
I believe that it is on the verge of something still possible, though, because even if they used a specific sample to start with, the result sounds to me as if such a sample could easily be replaced by an other with a similar outcome, provided only that you know how to process a suitable sample to this purpose step by step. But that's where the expertise comes into play.
If I thought the challenge would be absurd, then I wouldn't pose it.
The idea to start out with a sample on which a certain vocal "woo" has been recorded might already go in a right direction. I have a feeling about that.

TW5011 · Post by **TW5011** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:27 am

I think the point several have alluded to (and which I agree with) is that by trying to make it yourself, you will learn much more. Approaching sound design with a paint-by-numbers approach (i.e., having specific instructions to follow) doesn't really teach you how to create your own sounds. I understand the allure of wanting to know exactly how to do it without potential "failures" along the way, but I've learned that the process is really quite enjoyable and much more educational when you figure it out on your own. You'll also discover "happy accidents" that are inspiring and creative.

Even if you don't have any tools for creating such effects, you can do a lot with just editing the wav files and using stock plug-ins. Just experiment. Have fun with it. If you put in the effort, you can create a similar sound and along the way create even better sounds that are yours.

Shabdahbriah · Post by **Shabdahbriah** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:42 am

^^^ that ^^^

special question about scratching techniques and sampling for techno songs