How you use clip launcher in your DAW?

[EnGee]

No. 3 for me as the majority. Clip Luncher is a very good tool for me to write ideas and also testing how well the sounds go together.

I still think linear without repetitions (as much as I can), so looping is not my thing. I also never use audio loops (but I use midi loops for drums sometimes when I want a real drummer play).

Anyway, I can work happily with any linear DAW including Reaper. It just in Ableton Live and Bitwig I be more creative due to workflow and tools provided.

[LeVzi]

Good title for a vote.

I went to a seminar of a DJ Here in the UK who "claims" he introduced Ableton to Liam Howlett (Prodigy) , anyway, he showed how to make Drum and Bass in Ableton, and he absolutely raved about the clip launcher, during the seminar he laid the basics of a track using the clip launcher. I actually won a copy of Ableton that night in a raffle, so I loaded it up, got it working, and started to use the clip launcher myself.

My time with it lasted about 10 minutes before I came to realise it was completely counter intuitive to making music (For me)

I tried Ableton in arranger mode, and quickly gave that up too, it was so strangled compared to the other DAW I was using, was really not good.

But, even with that said, I could see how he was quick to lay down part of a track using the clip launcher, and how he actually probably would struggle using a linear arrangement, so its totally a personal preference. But for me, linear arrangement works better.

Good question to ask though.

[Passing Bye]

My arrangements improved when I started working in Bitwig, shifted totally into the live feel and urge mindset, experimented and jammed much more, landed much quicker on much better ideas.

[Kinh]

clip launching iz a live DJ thang. Ableton know dis dats why they pumped the development into arrangement in tha last 2 versions. More pweeple create musik and less perform it. Itz tha trend you dig?

[auron]

I think working with a clip launcer is nice, but with something like Ableton Push is mind blowing. But i don't like Ableton's awkward toggle between Clip/arrangement window, seems like it hasn't changed in v11 , so is it a good idea to use the Push Device in Bitwig or is it too much hassle? Little bit OT but i think with that combination i can finally burry my Cubase DAW.

[antic604]

...so is it a good idea to use the Push Device in Bitwig or is it too much hassle?

No, it just works: https://github.com/git-moss/DrivenByMos ... on-Push.md

[auron]

...so is it a good idea to use the Push Device in Bitwig or is it too much hassle?

No, it just works: https://github.com/git-moss/DrivenByMos ... on-Push.md

Oh i didn't know that . Thanks a lot! Ha, the creator has the same forename like me

[antic604]

...so is it a good idea to use the Push Device in Bitwig or is it too much hassle?

No, it just works: https://github.com/git-moss/DrivenByMos ... on-Push.md

Oh i didn't know that . Thanks a lot! Ha, the creator has the same forename like me

Yeah, Moss is doing the God's work for Bitwig controller scripts!

Check his YT channel for more:

[fese]

As a Cubase user, i don’t have an form of clip launching, and I don’t miss it at all. I had ableton ten years ago for a while, yeah, it was fun, but rarely did anything useful result from the fun. Just not my way of working, I’m a linear guy in the morning, same in the afternoon... So please, Steinberg, don’t waste your developer’s time implementing clip launchers.

[auron]

As a Cubase user, i don’t have an form of clip launching, and I don’t miss it at all. I had ableton ten years ago for a while, yeah, it was fun, but rarely did anything useful result from the fun. Just not my way of working, I’m a linear guy in the morning, same in the afternoon... So please, Steinberg, don’t waste your developer’s time implementing clip launchers.

Well in Cubase you actually could play around with an arranger track and then track versions, which is sort of substitute for a clip launcer. But now i think most important topic in steini's house is the e-licenser substitute.

[antic604]

...in Cubase you actually could play around with an arranger track and then track versions, which is sort of substitute for a clip launcer.

The whole point of clip launchers is hands-on immediacy and opportunity to stumble upon combination and/or order of elements you wouldn't think of otherwise, facilitated by the process happening in real time, spontaneously and interactively.

[dellboy]

The whole point of clip launchers is hands-on immediacy and opportunity to stumble upon combination and/or order of elements you wouldn't think of otherwise, facilitated by the process happening in real time, spontaneously and interactively.

That might be the way you use it, but I virtually never use it that way. Sounds more like a DJ way of performing hyping up a crowd.

I just use a clip launcher for recoding patterns - or loops, of different lengths for speed instead of copying and pasting bars. So for quickness I might just have a two bar drum beat - a four bar bass - four bars piano or synth or whatever and then noodle to my hearts content over the top. If I come up with something I export the stems to Cubase to make into a song.

[antic604]

That might be the way you use it, but I virtually never use it that way. Sounds more like a DJ way of performing hyping up a crowd.

Well, obviously! And it's inevitably and inextricably linked with type of music one's doing, because not every style will benefit from clip launcher (ideally with appropriate controller) - I can't imagine it being very helpful for jazz or orchestral stuff.

But for simple electronic stuff, it's very easy to get into flow and create something out of "nothing". Something, that at least I personally would struggle to come up with on a linear timeline and even if I did, it wouldn't sound as spontaneous.

Below video is the result of first 0.5h with Push2 the day I bought it. It's obviously nothing particularly interesting since it's just 3 clips on 3 tracks, but some of the tweaks, transitions and especially transpositions are something I wouldn't have done otherwise, if it wasn't a "live performance".

[pdxindy]

That might be the way you use it, but I virtually never use it that way. Sounds more like a DJ way of performing hyping up a crowd.

Well, obviously! And it's inevitably and inextricably linked with type of music one's doing, because not every style will benefit from clip launcher (ideally with appropriate controller) - I can't imagine it being very helpful for jazz or orchestral stuff.

Jazz is improvisational... the musicians might be playing and in a good groove and so keep going on that section longer before transitioning onward...

I use the Clip Launcher that way. I have some backing groove and I am playing live over it and I want to keep going I can easily do that while playing. The Clip Launcher is useful for Jazz.

[antic604]

Jazz is improvisational... the musicians might be playing and in a good groove and so keep going on that section longer before transitioning onward...

Sure. What I meant is that in jazz every instrument - other than the current soloist - even if they're looping is still playing slight variation of the theme every time, reacting & responding to the soloist. It's probably the least loop-based music out there, unless you insist on a very broad, meta-level definition