Hive 2 or Vital?, that is the question.

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Hive 2 or Vital?

Hive 2
87
45%
Vital
41
21%
They are too different to properly compare
35
18%
I prefer another wavetable option
32
16%
 
Total votes: 195

KVRAF
5310 posts since 7 Feb, 2013

Post Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:39 pm

twal wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:37 pm
Vital can't be on windows 7 so I had to pass it up recently because it looked interesting.
Vital does work on Win7.
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KVRian
1011 posts since 23 May, 2012 from London

Post Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:12 pm

recursive one wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:39 pm
twal wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:37 pm
Vital can't be on windows 7 so I had to pass it up recently because it looked interesting.
Vital does work on Win7.
I *think the issue is that for some people it doesn't run efficiently on Windows 7 and since it's not officially supported, there's slim to no chance of those people getting a fix so that it performs better.
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KVRAF
5310 posts since 7 Feb, 2013

Post Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:48 pm

PieBerger wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:12 pm
recursive one wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:39 pm
twal wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:37 pm
Vital can't be on windows 7 so I had to pass it up recently because it looked interesting.
Vital does work on Win7.
I *think the issue is that for some people it doesn't run efficiently on Windows 7 and since it's not officially supported, there's slim to no chance of those people getting a fix so that it performs better.
Ah, I see. I don't seem to have any iussues myself but maybe I'm yet to encounter them (though if these issues are CPU-related chances are I don't notice them because I routinely freeze most synths parts)
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KVRian
1011 posts since 23 May, 2012 from London

Post Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:02 pm

recursive one wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:48 pm
PieBerger wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:12 pm
recursive one wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:39 pm
twal wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:37 pm
Vital can't be on windows 7 so I had to pass it up recently because it looked interesting.
Vital does work on Win7.
I *think the issue is that for some people it doesn't run efficiently on Windows 7 and since it's not officially supported, there's slim to no chance of those people getting a fix so that it performs better.
Ah, I see. I don't seem to have any iussues myself but maybe I'm yet to encounter them (though if these issues are CPU-related chances are I don't notice them because I routinely freeze most synths parts)
It seems to vary wildy between users, but hasn't been a problem for me either. My PC is pretty powerful to begin with and like you, I tend to bounce stuff to audio early on.
Always Read the Manual!

KVRer
6 posts since 28 Feb, 2021

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:01 pm

I have the same question. I was looking to buy Hive but i already have Serum and Vital (subscription).

KVRist
167 posts since 10 Feb, 2017

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:31 pm

Artie Fichelle wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:09 am
I have all of them. All powerfull. But the one I like most is Pigments by Arturia. It is so intuitive and easy to make unique sounds. Maybe I should upload a few sounds or share some presets.

Basically I do not buy a tone generator, if I cannot use microtuning. This world is frequencies and tunings. I am not saying 432 Hz for everything, but everything in its own tuning universe.

If DX7 from Arturia had microtuning it would be the best FM in my opinion.But as it is, unusable.

Does GUI matter? Yes, because it can help you to get things done or it can turn you off.
Good to know Vital can actually be used with Windows 7, I wonder if Pigments is the same case?

I think Vital is awesome, beautiful sound and capabilities. I believe that Hive is great. But if you spend time on Vital might as well, it's free essentially and top of the line 4 sure
Wannae wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:01 pm
I have the same question. I was looking to buy Hive but i already have Serum and Vital (subscription).

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KVRAF
18687 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:53 pm

Wannae wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:01 pm
I have the same question. I was looking to buy Hive but i already have Serum and Vital (subscription).
Try the demo and see. I think Hive has its own unique set of tools and sound. The new filters in 2.1 are an excellent tool for various sorts of sounds. Then there are the Uhm scripts and Hive's interpolation types. Etc.

KVRian
1011 posts since 23 May, 2012 from London

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:36 pm

pdxindy wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:53 pm
Wannae wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:01 pm
I have the same question. I was looking to buy Hive but i already have Serum and Vital (subscription).
Try the demo and see. I think Hive has its own unique set of tools and sound. The new filters in 2.1 are an excellent tool for various sorts of sounds. Then there are the Uhm scripts and Hive's interpolation types. Etc.
+1 try the demo. There's no time limit just light crackling every 60s or so and you can save and load patches too. You can really put it through its paces, go beyond the honeymoon period and really decide if it's for you or not. This is how u-he suck you in!
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KVRAF
1771 posts since 20 Oct, 2014

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:55 pm

Hive seems to have the usual "U-He magic" inside in its sound (I don't exactly know the technical details, but seems to be some little pitch instability and so), also I like the algorithmal wavetable stuff, the excellent presets, the professional user base, the filter sound, the engines, the fx. I prefer Vital when it comes to overview and UX, the graphical representation of the filters is just awesome, the modulation is even more simple UX wise than Hive. Vital also provides way more filter types. Hive has a more traditional VST GUI, while Vital completely spares any skeuomorphism, which I personally totally prefer. The Hive GUI looks to me like pixel art, yet I don't need it. Hence Hive had various graphical design decision in its base concept, even the name says it. I actually miss a filter slots no. 4+5 or even 4-7 in Vital, that would make it even more awesome, since you consume filter slots already with the unusual algorithms, and then would like to have filters per OSC, too. This is something I totally miss in Hive, at least doubled filter slots. I know that the U-He team will not agree here, and this is ok for me :)

I don't like in both synths that the fx slots simply are a serial sum on the mixdown (e.g. VPS Avenger is way more useful here, providing send fx slots, insert slots 1-4 and a master slot). I also would expect a separate fx plugin for any of such synth which provides post-fx. Would prefer much more sophisticated routings on single OSC+filter outputs, maybe even pre-filter (I know that is barely possible due filters being per voice). Also nobody agrees with me here. So I don't like the lack of pre-filter distortion in Vital, Hive has various workarounds here, like the engines, the input level of the filters and so... My personal favorite routing would be like:
OSC1 -> optional filter -> optional mix with any other OSC in sum/sync/ring/fm/ring+sync -> pre-filter distortion like soft-clipping, clipping, folder etc -> filter -> post-filter distortion (same options) -> final fx filter

Vital OSCs sound way more "aliasfree" (though I think it does not even have anything to do with aliasing), they sound very slick, even a sawwave, while Hive easily seems to have more "texture". Might be due heavy oversampling in Vital or so.

KVRAF
1623 posts since 2 Jul, 2010

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:37 pm

You might like Diversion, which has multiple stages of filtering and distortion.

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Urs
u-he
25624 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin

Post Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:37 am

Hanz Meyzer wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:55 pm
way more filter types
In recent years, many Hive comparison threads were about a certain other synth. In each thread it was pointed out that this other synth had "30 different filter types". Funnily, Hive now has 30 different filter types, coincidentally: 10 different filter responses in 3 different flavours with indeed rather different implementations. I wonder if there's ever going to be a number that just settles it for good :clown:

That said, I am brooding over a way to allow for more flexible routing of audio signals. One day I'll sit down and try it, and if it really adds great value, we'll put this in.

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KVRAF
21522 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:48 am

Hanz Meyzer wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:55 pm
My personal favorite routing would be like:
OSC1 -> optional filter -> optional mix with any other OSC in sum/sync/ring/fm/ring+sync -> pre-filter distortion like soft-clipping, clipping, folder etc -> filter -> post-filter distortion (same options) -> final fx filter
You need to get inside Reaktor. :D

KVRist
344 posts since 15 Apr, 2020

Post Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:02 am

PieBerger wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:02 pm
recursive one wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:48 pm
PieBerger wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:12 pm
recursive one wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:39 pm
twal wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:37 pm
Vital can't be on windows 7 so I had to pass it up recently because it looked interesting.
Vital does work on Win7.
I *think the issue is that for some people it doesn't run efficiently on Windows 7 and since it's not officially supported, there's slim to no chance of those people getting a fix so that it performs better.
Ah, I see. I don't seem to have any iussues myself but maybe I'm yet to encounter them (though if these issues are CPU-related chances are I don't notice them because I routinely freeze most synths parts)
It seems to vary wildy between users, but hasn't been a problem for me either. My PC is pretty powerful to begin with and like you, I tend to bounce stuff to audio early on.
Vital works without hiccups on my 10 years old Windows 7 machine (I have at some point upgraded to a SSD though which improved general performance of my computer drastically). I only have a few minor GUI bugs, like the low shelf node of the EQ in the effects slot not showing (funny enough the bell node and the high shelf node is visible).

KVRAF
28067 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:08 am

Urs wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:37 am
Hanz Meyzer wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:55 pm
way more filter types
In recent years, many Hive comparison threads were about a certain other synth. In each thread it was pointed out that this other synth had "30 different filter types".
I wasn't aware that Sylenth1 has so many filter types. :o

But, I guess you mean another synth.
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KVRAF
5310 posts since 7 Feb, 2013

Post Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:12 am

chk071 wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:08 am
Urs wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:37 am
Hanz Meyzer wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:55 pm
way more filter types
In recent years, many Hive comparison threads were about a certain other synth. In each thread it was pointed out that this other synth had "30 different filter types".
I wasn't aware that Sylenth1 has so many filter types. :o

But, I guess you mean another synth.
It was Dune3 i think
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