Which is more useful, single or multi core performance.
- KVRAF
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- 14992 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
I’m really struggling to figure out which processor I should get in my new PC.
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- KVRAF
- 15517 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
Both are important. If you are choosing from top of the line processors I think that it doesn't matter as much as you might think. Single core performance will impact the top end performance of products that really push that, e.g., Reaktor. Multicore performance will impact your music production overall. The thing is, they are not independent and so pushing Reaktor to the brink will have some impact on on your music production overall.
One thing to keep in mind when ordering pre-built computers is that their cooling solutions are seldom designed to allow the processor to achieve its full potential. Your CPU will often throttle because of heat before you get to the stated maximums for your CPU. Watch some gaming vids to see some detail on this, those guys are fanatical about performance and cooling, single core vs multicore, and CPU/GPU tradeoffs.
Current advice on intel, AFAIK, is i9-10900k, the 11 series desktop parts are a disaster at the top end. If I were building a desktop today I would buy an AMD 5900 series part. The problem is finding one, even in a pre-built. If you want to stay intel and are looking for a price performance bargain, the i5-11400 is supposed to be a decent choice.
One thing to keep in mind when ordering pre-built computers is that their cooling solutions are seldom designed to allow the processor to achieve its full potential. Your CPU will often throttle because of heat before you get to the stated maximums for your CPU. Watch some gaming vids to see some detail on this, those guys are fanatical about performance and cooling, single core vs multicore, and CPU/GPU tradeoffs.
Current advice on intel, AFAIK, is i9-10900k, the 11 series desktop parts are a disaster at the top end. If I were building a desktop today I would buy an AMD 5900 series part. The problem is finding one, even in a pre-built. If you want to stay intel and are looking for a price performance bargain, the i5-11400 is supposed to be a decent choice.
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- KVRAF
- 11052 posts since 19 Jun, 2008 from Seattle
Budget? Pre-built/custom-built, or DIY?zerocrossing wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:35 pm I’m really struggling to figure out which processor I should get in my new PC.
I'm not a musician, but I've designed sounds that others use to make music. http://soundcloud.com/obsidiananvil
- KVRAF
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- 14992 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
$2-3K USD (including everything)Shabdahbriah wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:57 pmBudget?zerocrossing wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:35 pm I’m really struggling to figure out which processor I should get in my new PC.
I’m not sure. I’ve always been a bit timid about building my own computer. Not the actual building part, but I worry about choosing the right components. I’d do it if someone said, “buy x, y and z, then put it together.” I’d probably be better off just buying the best off-the-shelf thing in my budget. Not really sure.Pre-built/custom-built, or DIY?
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- KVRAF
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- 14992 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
In what way? Bad performance?ghettosynth wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:49 pmCurrent advice on intel, AFAIK, is i9-10900k, the 11 series desktop parts are a disaster at the top end.
I had heard that AMD was good, but I worry about compatibility. Like, I know Massive X requires a specific chip feature. Am I wrong to worry about this?If I were building a desktop today I would buy an AMD 5900 series part. The problem is finding one, even in a pre-built. If you want to stay intel and are looking for a price performance bargain, the i5-11400 is supposed to be a decent choice.
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- KVRian
- 938 posts since 21 Aug, 2017 from Brasil
AMD is the TOP dog now, the only compatibility problem you can have is with UAD stuff...zerocrossing wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:13 pm I had heard that AMD was good, but I worry about compatibility. Like, I know Massive X requires a specific chip feature. Am I wrong to worry about this?
I do not know what works or not, but you may check at UAD forum/support and
https://gearspace.com/board/music-compu ... ad-12.html
I did that in viewtopic.php?p=8081813#p8081813zerocrossing wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:10 pm I’m not sure. I’ve always been a bit timid about building my own computer. Not the actual building part, but I worry about choosing the right components. I’d do it if someone said, “buy x, y and z, then put it together.” I’d probably be better off just buying the best off-the-shelf thing in my budget. Not really sure.
- KVRAF
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- 14992 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
Hm, that seems to be about UAD PCIe cards. I’m using a FireWire PCIe card and an older UAD FireWire interface.Pictus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:39 pmAMD is the TOP dog now, the only compatibility problem you can have is with UAD stuff...zerocrossing wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:13 pm I had heard that AMD was good, but I worry about compatibility. Like, I know Massive X requires a specific chip feature. Am I wrong to worry about this?
I do not know what works or not, but you may check at UAD forum/support and
https://gearspace.com/board/music-compu ... ad-12.html
I did that in viewtopic.php?p=8081813#p8081813zerocrossing wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:10 pm I’m not sure. I’ve always been a bit timid about building my own computer. Not the actual building part, but I worry about choosing the right components. I’d do it if someone said, “buy x, y and z, then put it together.” I’d probably be better off just buying the best off-the-shelf thing in my budget. Not really sure.
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- KVRAF
- 15517 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
Yes, the 11900K has worse performance than the 10900K and, IIRC, is more expensive.zerocrossing wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:13 pmIn what way? Bad performance?ghettosynth wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:49 pmCurrent advice on intel, AFAIK, is i9-10900k, the 11 series desktop parts are a disaster at the top end.
[/quote]I had heard that AMD was good, but I worry about compatibility. Like, I know Massive X requires a specific chip feature. Am I wrong to worry about this?If I were building a desktop today I would buy an AMD 5900 series part. The problem is finding one, even in a pre-built. If you want to stay intel and are looking for a price performance bargain, the i5-11400 is supposed to be a decent choice.
Probably. AMD supports the AVX instructions. There are some compatibility issues but that's not one of them. Most of the issues that I'm ware of raise their head when you're doing virtualization. I'm not an expert on that by any means so I'll let others chime in, but, unless you're running virtual machines and doing hardware passthrough, and/or some other narrow development/virtualization tasks that are not music related, you are unlikely to run into any issues.
- KVRian
- 938 posts since 21 Aug, 2017 from Brasil
If it is the case check https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PMntF8zerocrossing wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:48 pm Hm, that seems to be about UAD PCIe cards. I’m using a FireWire PCIe card and an older UAD FireWire interface.
Just add a CPU(Ryzen 9 5900X ?) and your stuff, but if want to reduce the price
change to a 2TB SSD model https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vMFKHx ... 000gm3a002
and 64GB(2x32) RAM.
- KVRAF
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- 14992 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
Thanks for that. I do see someone with my Apollo there that’s not having a good experience using a PCIe FireWire card with the AMD, so I think I’ll pass because that’s pretty important to me.Pictus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:39 pmAMD is the TOP dog now, the only compatibility problem you can have is with UAD stuff...zerocrossing wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:13 pm I had heard that AMD was good, but I worry about compatibility. Like, I know Massive X requires a specific chip feature. Am I wrong to worry about this?
I do not know what works or not, but you may check at UAD forum/support and
https://gearspace.com/board/music-compu ... ad-12.html
Ah, thanks for that!I did that in viewtopic.php?p=8081813#p8081813zerocrossing wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:10 pm I’m not sure. I’ve always been a bit timid about building my own computer. Not the actual building part, but I worry about choosing the right components. I’d do it if someone said, “buy x, y and z, then put it together.” I’d probably be better off just buying the best off-the-shelf thing in my budget. Not really sure.
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- KVRAF
- 15517 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
That's a great thread. There's some stuff in there on the 11900k. It's too bad that there are some weird issues with Pcie/Firewire because AMD is the way to go right now. In any case, the guy with the big hair does gaming tech talk. I can't remember his name or his channel name, but, other than he's a bit longwinded, he's good to follow to keep up on performance in CPUs/GPUs.zerocrossing wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:39 pmThanks for that. I do see someone with my Apollo there that’s not having a good experience using a PCIe FireWire card with the AMD, so I think I’ll pass because that’s pretty important to me.Pictus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:39 pmAMD is the TOP dog now, the only compatibility problem you can have is with UAD stuff...zerocrossing wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:13 pm I had heard that AMD was good, but I worry about compatibility. Like, I know Massive X requires a specific chip feature. Am I wrong to worry about this?
I do not know what works or not, but you may check at UAD forum/support and
https://gearspace.com/board/music-compu ... ad-12.html
Ah, thanks for that!I did that in viewtopic.php?p=8081813#p8081813zerocrossing wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:10 pm I’m not sure. I’ve always been a bit timid about building my own computer. Not the actual building part, but I worry about choosing the right components. I’d do it if someone said, “buy x, y and z, then put it together.” I’d probably be better off just buying the best off-the-shelf thing in my budget. Not really sure.
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- KVRAF
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- KVRian
- 938 posts since 21 Aug, 2017 from Brasil
The 4690K is a 4 core CPU, for a CPU with 8 core or more the hyper 212 evocodec_spurt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:22 pm I've got an old box I'm quite fond of. It's got a 4690K chip in there which can be taken up to 4.6GHz sometimes on air with a serious overclock. I've not tried o/c'ing it yet. It took me enough fuss to just put on the Hyper 212 Coolermaster - https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/co ... o/#gallery
It's a beast (the cooler, and maybe the chip as well).
is not up to the task, needs a more capable cooler
https://youtu.be/JtWr15on6OU
A less expensive option can be the Thermalright Frost Spirit 140
https://pt.aliexpress.com/item/1005001476494179.html
https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/therm ... st-5901891
The good old silver!I used some old Arctic Silver I had that had not been put in the fridge. Seemed ok to me. Took me three or more swipes to get it right. In the end you just don't worry. Jesus, what a fuckin' mess.
But today we got better thermal paste that is also not conductive.
https://youtu.be/t0pNHTiNOrs
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- KVRian
- 738 posts since 25 Aug, 2019
A single track uses one core for serial processing while it's running in parallel with other tracks each one using one of the cores. When your CPU "run out of cores" the OS will use a core for two tracks etc.zerocrossing wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:35 pm I’m really struggling to figure out which processor I should get in my new PC.
So you need a CPU with good one core performance, but number of cores is much more important. Also, some heavy plugins can use multithreading in a single instance.
- KVRAF
- 25053 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
I think if the goal is something on the order of VCV Rack, it hammers on one core so clock speed is crucial and cores means nothing. The way I work uses cores and distributes, even is part of the setup, 'threads (not the same as cores of course, but related) per instance' in VEP. Don't know if a higher clock speed would benefit or not, that was a pricing choice and there wasn't that much difference for the mo' money.