Pianoteq 7

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KVRist
97 posts since 4 Jan, 2007

Post Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:41 pm

Caleb9 wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:02 am
Anyone know if pianoteq 7 is more cpu consuming than 6?
About the same unless you use the new morphing and layering options. But even then, it is very efficient for what it does.

KVRer
6 posts since 28 Feb, 2021

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:00 pm

It's worth the price guys?

KVRAF
20710 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:49 pm

BBFG# wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:21 am
I finally came to the realization that "accuracy" of a sound often has more to do with an emotional nostalgia than anything else here.
And that often has to do with inconsistencies in the original manufacturing, personal amplification and real world ambience at the time.
So to know how accurate the sound is, we would really need the developer themselves to post a video between the actual instrument they were modeling and their software realization of it.

No, accuracy is not a matter of "emotional nostalgia" - accuracy is much rather a matter of accuracy instead.

To know how accurate it is one needs to know what the original instrument they are emulating sounds like. Which I do.

You assume that they had access to a real Electra which they modelled, but going by the examples I heard I actually highly doubt it, as I think that even if their software was somewhat lacking (which I have not the slightest clue about), they should be able to get much closer.

KVRAF
20710 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:08 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:18 am
jamcat wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:11 am
Most recordings that you hear of a Electra-piano are from the '70s, and a lot of the warm woolly fat sound is actually coming from the recording medium and technology of the day. You could make the Pianoteq model splatter, too, with some generous tape saturation.

Accounting for superficial differences between the performances, and the real and virtual recording environments and technology, these two sound essentially like the same instrument to me:

https://youtu.be/cMarNNEoMes

https://www.modartt.com/data/audio/pian ... cifica.mp3

:shrug:
What I hear is that the Hohner sounds a bit like Wurli. There's that reed sound there, and you can hear a bit of bark in the examples posted. I disagree with jens saying it does not sound funky. It sounds quite funky in each of the example videos (or rather, it would if someone actually played some funk on it). The Moddartt example sounds way more mellow and tine like, based on the example posted, which...not at all like any of the Hohner YouTube clips posted IMO. I agree with whoever posted that they sound like two different instruments. That's what I'm getting too.

Note: never played a Hohner Electra in my life. But the YouTube samples all sound like one instrument, and the Modartt example all sound like another. Just my two cents.
It was also me who said that they sound like two completely different instruments.

You and me seem to mean completely different things when we say "funky" - what I refer to is some kind of phase cancellation or other similar resonances. I mentioned "quack" - that refers to position 2 and 4 on a Strat, which are the typical funk positions (which introduce some phase cancellation) and I seem to hear something similar on a Rhodes (albeit most probably for completely diffrent technical reasons) - it tends to have some certain "hollowness" especially on the lower octaves. To me the Electra on the other hand does not sound funky at all - it's full and warm - especially on the lower octaves. Hit it hard and it will still sound warm and round without much bite.

But you are right that the examples of the Electra all share the same basic character - you can use the built-in amp and speakers you can go directly into a DI, you can go into a guitar-amp, you can go through a number of stomp-boxes first - it'll always keep that character, which is a product of the way the sound is generated, which is identical for all Hohner Electras - and I hear NONE OF IT in the Modartt sound bits that claim to mimic a Hohner Electra.

I see a lot of mentioning of certain specific real instruments here in this thread, I do however see not a lot of interest in whether the emulation is even just halfway accurate. To me it seems what people want is rather names of famous gear than the actual sound of that gear.

Which probably unfortunately means that developers really have not much of a reason (at least business-wise) to put in much effort at all anymore in "emulating" stuff. And the less people have access to the real instruments or hardware, the more pronounced this effect will probably become. :-(

I think I have to start a thread about this, as I have been stumbling over basically the same thing a couple of times the past few weeks.

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KVRian
1278 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from France

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:35 pm

If they simply made patches ”inspired from” instead of trying to mimic them (I hope I’m making myself clear here), there would be nothing to complain about btw. I mean : when you name it Wurlitzer, people expect an exact Wurlitzer, etc. Name it Wurlo and people shut their mouths, guess the instrument, and get the same sounding result. :D

Just an opinion on the fly, I perfectly understand their reasons...

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KVRist
116 posts since 24 Jan, 2021

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:39 pm

jens wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:08 pm
I think I have to start a thread about this, as I have been stumbling over basically the same thing a couple of times the past few weeks.
That sounds to me like a waste of effort on a lost cause. But I don't think it's all bad.

I have two main thoughts about this phenomenon. The first is that emulation developers like to copy as much as possible about the products they're emulating, as long as they can get away with it. If they have the tech to make their emulations accurate, they do that. If there's no threat of a trademark lawsuit, they'll copy the look and/or the name. These are essentially disjoint aspects of the product development process. They just have nothing to do with each other.

The second is that the electric pianos are not Modartt's flagship product. Take a quick look at their release history and you'll see that they pour a lot of research and development into modeling acoustic pianos. They update those all the time. Piano players talk about them all the time. Acoustic pianos are the company's main claim to fame.

Meanwhile, I have never seen anyone discuss their electric pianos outside the last few pages of this thread. I've seen people ask for accurate emulations, and a bunch of other names would come up. Modartt doesn't even get a mention.

I think they had tech that could do one thing, and realized it could sort of do another thing, and they figured they might as well try selling that too.

I don't think would-be customers can convince them to stop. Generally, competitive pressure is the only way to persuade a corporation to improve its products, so perhaps the best move you could make is to found your own DSP company and release a product that more accurately captures the character of an Electra.

EDIT: Double-checked some things, found that my memory was wrong, and removed some of my dumber comments. It looks like Modartt licenses the Hohner name, and most of the competing Electra plugins are sample-based.
I hate signatures too.

KVRAF
6290 posts since 28 Apr, 2013

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:56 pm

I'm enjoying the Electra now. Finding it plays like a real instrument. Which is my favorite thing about Pianoteq.
So thanks for getting me to really check it out.

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