DSPplug Blumlein Haas - A free Haas Effect (for mono or stereo)

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KVRian
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Post Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:01 pm

The DSPplug Blumlein haas effect makes making stereo from mono very easy and it even helps you to change the feel of stereo somewhat. This is a rather rushed, thrown together free plug-in that all in all was merely a shell of the DSPplug smooth remade into the Blumlein Haas.

My KVR Developer Entry will be a Multiband version of this same effect. Made with flowstone, but I've been meditating etc and have grown a bit beyond the normal flowstone approach.

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This is all vector, has no images and no frills but it looks nice and the refresh during use is pleasant. I may replace the refresh with something that works better with screen recorders after some tests.

This is just the initial version but it should work well.

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Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:43 am

What's this about?
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KVRAF
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Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:55 am

This looks really interesting, but since I’m on Mac I’m out of luck. Is there any chance that you can explain the signal flow so that I can try to replicate the effect using Bitwig?

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Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:45 am

perpetual3 wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:55 am
This looks really interesting, but since I’m on Mac I’m out of luck. Is there any chance that you can explain the signal flow so that I can try to replicate the effect using Bitwig?
there's a 16db HP at 500, set the ms delay at either 1 or 13 ms. The mid side would be too complicated maybe I could think t over.
TMaudio wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:43 am
What's this about?
dspplug_blumlein.PNG
Allright, so I had been partly right; because the 64 bit version was not reading as a virus, and yet the 32 bit are. I'll replace the 32 bit versions and Re-test, re-upload. I'm an adult, admit when I'm wrong and I make things right.
Last edited by kingozrecords on Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:07 pm, edited 4 times in total.
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Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:07 am

kingozrecords wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:45 am
perpetual3 wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:55 am
This looks really interesting, but since I’m on Mac I’m out of luck. Is there any chance that you can explain the signal flow so that I can try to replicate the effect using Bitwig?
there's a 16db HP at 500, set the ms delay at either 1 or 13 ms. The mid side would be too complicated maybe I could think t over.
TMaudio wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:43 am
What's this about?
dspplug_blumlein.PNG
It's listing Net Frameworks, Steinberg VST architecture as a heuristic means of gaining control over system resources (which in all fairness they could to a limited extent. Someone could use vst architecture to do something malicious. So in fairness, yes it could be used to do something bad to a pc like delete files. So can most exe files, though not a virus). Heur-"istic" doesn't mean virus; many dos, or reg fixes could also be seen the same way. Malware bytes isn't very good.

Check this url for a full scan using many engines (of the uploaded file at KVR):
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/url/ee14 ... /detection

And here's the screenshot if you don't want to go to the site:
virustotal-haas.jpg
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I'll also install malwarebytes and clear that up.
Here's a scan with kaspersky security cloud:
Thanks. Bitwig has mid/side tools too.

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Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:01 am

perpetual3 wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:07 am
kingozrecords wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:45 am
perpetual3 wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:55 am
This looks really interesting, but since I’m on Mac I’m out of luck. Is there any chance that you can explain the signal flow so that I can try to replicate the effect using Bitwig?
there's a 16db HP at 500, set the ms delay at either 1 or 13 ms. The mid side would be too complicated maybe I could think t over.
TMaudio wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:43 am
What's this about?
dspplug_blumlein.PNG
It's listing Net Frameworks, Steinberg VST architecture as a heuristic means of gaining control over system resources (which in all fairness they could to a limited extent. Someone could use vst architecture to do something malicious. So in fairness, yes it could be used to do something bad to a pc like delete files. So can most exe files, though not a virus). Heur-"istic" doesn't mean virus; many dos, or reg fixes could also be seen the same way. Malware bytes isn't very good.

Check this url for a full scan using many engines (of the uploaded file at KVR):
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/url/ee14 ... /detection

And here's the screenshot if you don't want to go to the site:
virustotal-haas.jpg
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I'll also install malwarebytes and clear that up.
Here's a scan with kaspersky security cloud:
Thanks. Bitwig has mid/side tools too.
Sure, make sure the hp only affects the right channel and also ensure that you use a clean sounding stereo width to ensure non-interleaved (split/dual mono) stereo so that the end result sounds nicer. If there's interlacing there's a great deal of digital aliasing as a result.
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Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:13 pm

So, vst's can be a danger either way. But it would appear that the 32 bit version are showing up as having a false positive. Likely, the readers are suggesting they're malware due to the fact that they're too old school for cool.

I'll make it right, and I apologize, I'd only tested the 64 bit versions. Fixing that now. It's obviously a false positive or the 32 bit versions would have the same 0 indicae as the 64. In a hot minute I'll solve the problem.
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KVRist
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Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:07 pm

kingozrecords wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:13 pm
First, I made this useful video; urging people and teaching (from a programmer's perspective) exactly what the danger of installing a VST (or any other plug-in for audio for that matter) really is. Regardless of whether there's a lot of false positives out there, you should always check a file with virustotal online if it's possible, even if it is commercial.
Because everything from:

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c:\users\
Folder can be automatically deleted by a VST that's been programmed to do that. I mean, a virus cannot do what a VST can as an audio plug-in can do: An audio plug-in could do worse. And that's why you should only install a VST that comes from someone that you trust.

Here's a video where I explain that and the content which spurned this topic and made Me understand what I needed to share with people because of false positives like in the above postings taking away from fears that you should always keep in mind when downloading audio plug-ins.

https://youtu.be/efqUYK_dvqw

Beyond this video, I wanted to respond to this public defammation regarding the integrity of My product.
Furthermore, so people understand; I backed up every page I make reference to, by using the wayback machine alternative (the archive.org wayback machine is broken) named Archive.today (https://archive.fo). I'll include the real url and the backed up url.

Fraudulent Virus Claim #1
In this post:
Real URL: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=563761
Backed up URL: https://https://archive.fo/zeQM1

TMaudio had posted
TMaudio wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:43 am
What's this about?
Image
Here is the "screenshot" he's posted:
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compared to a screenshot of the real virustotal website :
Image

And here's the url's to see that for yourself.
Real URL: https://www.virustotal.com/gui/url/ee14 ... /detection
Backed up URL: https://archive.fo/qqAmo

After some investigation; I was able to clearly ascertain that the "virus detection screenshots" that TMaudio is providing are fakes.

I questioned whether or not this was the first time that TMaudio had done the same. I used the Phpbb search user's posts feature, which took Me to this url:
search.php?author_id=283757&sr=posts

Furthermore, so people understand; I backed up every page I make reference to, by using the wayback machine alternative (the archive.org wayback machine is broken) named Archive.today (https://archive.fo). I'll include the real url and the backed up url.

Virus claim regarding products found in CM magazine:
In this post:
Real URL: viewtopic.php?f=43&t=262178&start=39750
Backed up URL: https://archive.fo/3DVP0

TMaudio posts:
TMaudio wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:42 am
hmm Computer Music Magazine, celebration, goodie bag of stuff. Yea I tend to take these "gifts" with a grain of salt. Call me cynical. Anyway, I took some time to scan all of the PC effects files and I know some may think "oh it's just a false positive."
I just say meh, not worth it, not worth even installing.
I always say, if some plugin developers can pack their software without anything malicious being flagged why can't the others? So here's my

findings, in case it helps others, 13 of the folders had something. Up to you though what ya want to do.
(screenshot)
Image

I cannot say whether or not this is true because I have no files to compare with, but nonetheless TMaudio is attacking the credibility of ComputerMusic magazine.

Fraudulent Virus Claim #2
And then there's the case of the ARX_one plug-in, regarding which the same TMaudio explained that there were viruses detected in the free plugin ARX_one (post below):
Real URL: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=552907&p=7894380#p7894380
Backed up URL: https://archive.fo/pjj17

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TMaudio posted on Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:59 pm
@El°HYM
check out the screenshots
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Now, El°HYM responds saying:

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El°HYM wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:40 pm
I see.

Yet, then it would be spread via the #kvr site itself:
http://static.kvraudio.com/files/2033/arx_one.zip

Hopefully just a false positive but who knows, you are absolutely right to be cautious.
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The image above that he posted is in regards to "http://static.kvraudio.com/files/2033/arx_one.zip", which is still available on the KVRaudio site

But here is the real virus total scan of that file, dated from 6 months ago:
Real URL: https://www.virustotal.com/gui/url/1899 ... /detection
Backed up URL: https://archive.fo/spxA6

Here's a screenshot saved from the "backed up URL", so you can see it:
Real URL: Image
Backed up URL: Image

I didn't want to spend any more time on this, but after I'd scanned over the posts of this user I saw many such controversial findings which likely could be dis-proven and furthermore proven to be fraud in the same manner. I don't think Myself, the maker of ARX one or Computer Music Magazine frankly are appreciative to be the victims of debasement and fraud. That's all I have to say on the matter.

I won't furthermore discuss the matter further, should anyone wish to in this post. Let's move on to enjoying this nice free product that I put attention and care into making.

And please, if anyone else is tempted to do the same, please keep into consideration that I used to be a professional moderator and administrator working for professional companies.
Um, wow dude.
Second scan:
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KVRist
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Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:11 pm

Not sure what you are doing over there, but here is a second scan of arx_one for example. I get the same results.
arx_one_scan2.PNG
EDIT: in fact, it is interesting the scan still comes up with a flag but it has changed since my original post of it. I still have the original scan results.
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KVRAF
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Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:23 pm

kingozrecords wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:13 pm

Virus claim regarding products found in CM magazine:
In this post:
Real URL: viewtopic.php?f=43&t=262178&start=39750
Backed up URL: https://archive.fo/3DVP0

TMaudio posts:
TMaudio wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:42 am
hmm Computer Music Magazine, celebration, goodie bag of stuff. Yea I tend to take these "gifts" with a grain of salt. Call me cynical. Anyway, I took some time to scan all of the PC effects files and I know some may think "oh it's just a false positive."
I just say meh, not worth it, not worth even installing.
I always say, if some plugin developers can pack their software without anything malicious being flagged why can't the others? So here's my

findings, in case it helps others, 13 of the folders had something. Up to you though what ya want to do.
(screenshot)
Image

I cannot say whether or not this is true because I have no files to compare with, but nonetheless TMaudio is attacking the credibility of ComputerMusic magazine.
I got an alert with Computer Music and Wolfram CM. This was detected by Comodo when unzipping.
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KVRian
574 posts since 1 Sep, 2007

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:50 pm

If I scan the download link on virustotal everything is fine, if I scan the downloaded zip file I get the same warning as TMAudio first posted. So no, the screenshot is not fake.
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/669 ... /detection

I don't really care, and I would consider this a false positive...

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Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:56 pm

Kr3eM wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:50 pm
If I scan the download link on virustotal everything is fine, if I scan the downloaded zip file I get the same warning as TMAudio first posted. So no, the screenshot is not fake.
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/669 ... /detection

I don't really care, and I would consider this a false positive...
I'll try downloading it, in the meantime here's a video for the usage of this plug-in. If that's the case I'd be man enough to apologize. But in this crazy world of VPN's anything's possible.

https://youtu.be/ll-_97rCycs

DSPplug haas, I'm having fun with it.

Edit, so strangely enough, I'm getting results in 32 bit but not 64. OK. I have a workaround, I'm guessing this is due to someone flagging the 32 bit software as redundant and too oldschool. So I can use the old version and try that. I'll delete the video that's fine and I'll sort it out.

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/669 ... /relations

But it still did not make sense that those readings that he'd posted did not line up, but it's fine and I'll sort it out. I'm human.
The Noodlist wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:23 pm
kingozrecords wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:13 pm

Virus claim regarding products found in CM magazine:
In this post:
Real URL: viewtopic.php?f=43&t=262178&start=39750
Backed up URL: https://archive.fo/3DVP0

TMaudio posts:
TMaudio wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:42 am
hmm Computer Music Magazine, celebration, goodie bag of stuff. Yea I tend to take these "gifts" with a grain of salt. Call me cynical. Anyway, I took some time to scan all of the PC effects files and I know some may think "oh it's just a false positive."
I just say meh, not worth it, not worth even installing.
I always say, if some plugin developers can pack their software without anything malicious being flagged why can't the others? So here's my

findings, in case it helps others, 13 of the folders had something. Up to you though what ya want to do.
(screenshot)
Image

I cannot say whether or not this is true because I have no files to compare with, but nonetheless TMaudio is attacking the credibility of ComputerMusic magazine.
I got an alert with Computer Music and Wolfram CM. This was detected by Comodo when unzipping.
Well then Noodle, My friend maybe CM are as stupid as I can be lol. *scrambles to make his 32 bit virus beat the "detection algorithm"

And do you know why I had My doubts about this whole thing, I'll tell you and I do apologize of course; but when I was younger adaware had just come out. I paid for the pro and scanned everything. Well wouldn't you know it I scanned and scanned and literally had to reinstall My OS every half year, and I'm mostly Irish.

And now I stay away from adaware, and haven't re-installed in 6-7 years. So, frankly; what I see is people just set all detect settings to max and delete everything mistakenly. Remaking 32 bit versions now.
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Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:54 pm

Updating now and after a scan of the zip, there's no problems and I pass with flying colors. It would have helped if someone told Me that it was only 32 bit showing up as being somehow a false positive. I can't help but to feel that this is pressure from the larger game to go x64. To be honest working with 32 bit is nice sometimes.

Here's the scan of the new .zip:
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/26e ... /detection
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new-virus-total-scan.jpg
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And here's the direct download:
https://static.kvraudio.com/files/3802/ ... 364851.zip

I guess DSPplug is going strictly 64 bit. I'll update all My software packages to reflect and I owe an apology to TMaudio. I guess I can see why I had conviction but the readings I was seeing did not make sense, I should have looked harder; My only excuse is - how would I have known that the 32 bit was going to register with virustotal any differently when it was the same program that made both the files, at the same time?

Thanks for everyone who brought this up and for their assistance, of course I'll always make things right. I guess I owe someone a keg of beer. PM me your paypal, TMaudio I'll send that and you can have a few on Me. However, you could have made it clear that this seems to be 32 bit only; instead of "dropping the bad news on My door". If you'd provided Me with a url, instead of a useless image furthermore - I could have seen that this was a solely x86 issue. Maybe that's good advice for the future, because you seem like you tend to drop this bad news in the same way each time. You could have said "your x64 plug-ins are fine, is it that your making the x32 plugs with something else because those are showing up as infected with something".

Everyone has to be accountable, you, Me and an image these days means nothing. I've had people complain about Me pasting My head on a nice suit because I wanted to save 300 dollars; so maybe keep that in mind when you're throwing images around the next time. They're just not a tangible means of forensics these days. Especially given that jpeg's will alias in original ways, and hide most editing after the fact, especially if someone uses online compressors. Approaching a company with the realization that their products might be showing up as malware with just images will never fly. Any company online would laugh at you. And furthermore, with that said you should also have explained that you needed to download it first, and that the result is different than the url scanner. How is any company going to react differently?

In the future TMaudio, if you're going to use images as some kind of proof, then don't edit them. That's the first indication to someone that something is up because they can't see the windows tabs and url bar. It could be anything and from anything else very easily. Not to mention that most sites are using the same fonts makes even a complete screenshot hard to judge as authentic. Practically the only test is applying a high pass and putting some vivid light filters on adjustment layers so as to search for touchups and strange interlacing that would not normally occur. How also, if in the case of virustotal; is someone going to verify those same readings without the url in the screenshot furthermore, would it not seem that this was the reason that the image was cropped, to prevent a second glance?
kingozrecords wrote:On a side note, with everything cast aside; is this really close to the end for 32 bit applications? If that's the end of 32 apps and companies like malwarebytes can say something is malware only because it is 32 bit, then they basically are saying they have the right to victimize and ransom My company to the end of forcing Me to go 64 bit. These are strange times we live in. It seems like iobit is playing a role that is more than just anti-malware. I mean I get it, I can be a bully too; mean even. But not for a lack of reason. 32 bit, years down the road will still be handy for some of the older video editors and I guess there's nothing to be done about it.
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Post Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:28 am

kingozrecords wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:56 pm
I cannot say whether or not this is true because I have no files to compare with, but nonetheless TMaudio is attacking the credibility of ComputerMusic magazine.
The Noodlist wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:23 pm
I got an alert with Computer Music and Wolfram CM. This was detected by Comodo when unzipping.
kingozrecords wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:56 pm
Well then Noodle, My friend maybe CM are as stupid as I can be lol. *scrambles to make his 32 bit virus beat the "detection algorithm"
Just saying, this is fact, I got an alert with Wolfram CM. It might have been a false positive and it might not have been flagged by a different antivirus. I'm not pointing the finger at anyone.

So many variables, different detection algorithms, AV settings and false positives.

Using the word stupid and being over defensive isn't really needed in a discussion.
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Post Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:54 am

Yeah, well it's hard when we're frankly, as developers; catering to child-like vehemence stemming from the absolute adherence to false positives by security companies. If they were more responsible, false positives wouldn't stay false positives. Yesterday, after I had been through most of the 50 odd posts regarding such things I'd realized that nowadays people just roll their eyes and find it annoying. But I'll obviously try to make it right.

In regards to Malwarebytes though, it's pretty clear that based on other reports that they're trying to phase out 32 bit. Some of the best and fastest video editors can use 32 bit vst's like videopad for instance, many other programs that have limited vst functionality as a perk will also be affected. Furthermore I have customers who use sourceforge editor for re-mastering oldies and classic vinyl. They'll suffer for it when companies like mine drop 32 bit. But should I instead pay no mind, have My reputation attacked for a false positive, and make no money?

From the opposing side it's like we're being conned. I won't enjoy telling My customers that they're out of luck for 32 bit. I'm not a robot, and it is stupid. And big sites like KVR will eventually get pressured to drop 32 bit hosting altogether also, and pluginboutique and rekkerd.org etc. Sites like plugins4free could get blacklisted, shut down and any company not adhering can be also. There's no magic in it, all someone needs do is report a site, have some screenshots and they explain the supposed malware to google, bing, duckduckgo, microsoft and suddenly there's a warning from firefox or chrome or opera before you enter the site that it's the home of malware. It's sobering enough to merit entire sites like KVRaudio to think on whether or not they should test and delete all such 32 bit files. There's 100's of thousands of them. Do we want to have to press a proceed anyway button everytime we come to kvraudio and we are warned of a suspicious site?
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