I'm making sign of progress.
Synthesising an acoustic piano sound
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 490 posts since 23 Sep, 2003 from Hungary
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- KVRian
- 527 posts since 4 Dec, 2019
Do I like it? - I love it!!!
You make things possible that we still dream of!
Choos is always skeptical thinking you can't create such real instruments on a synth. People keep telling me that I should stop dreaming and just use sample sounds whenever sounds get difficult to be recreated but I keep going with my ideas of trying to synthesize sounds. So I keep dreaming and then you all of a sudden come along with such an impressive video. Amazing if not almost incredible!
I've often dreamt of creating a piano sound one day but I never knew if it could actually be done on a synth. A lot of people say it could never be done. But you go to the extremes.
Now I know for sure that this IS possible. Thank you so much for sharing those great insights into those very advanced techniques of sound design with us. You can create everything with your modular synth. The hammer sound of the piano, the characteristic sound of the piano, the echoing, it's all there already. Fantastic! If I had started with this earlier I might have become what you are. This is just fascinating and again very motivating to me, even though I cannot fully understand everything you do yet! It's like taking a glimpse into the future when I might advance to techniques like these. This is so great!
You make things possible that we still dream of!
Choos is always skeptical thinking you can't create such real instruments on a synth. People keep telling me that I should stop dreaming and just use sample sounds whenever sounds get difficult to be recreated but I keep going with my ideas of trying to synthesize sounds. So I keep dreaming and then you all of a sudden come along with such an impressive video. Amazing if not almost incredible!
I've often dreamt of creating a piano sound one day but I never knew if it could actually be done on a synth. A lot of people say it could never be done. But you go to the extremes.
Now I know for sure that this IS possible. Thank you so much for sharing those great insights into those very advanced techniques of sound design with us. You can create everything with your modular synth. The hammer sound of the piano, the characteristic sound of the piano, the echoing, it's all there already. Fantastic! If I had started with this earlier I might have become what you are. This is just fascinating and again very motivating to me, even though I cannot fully understand everything you do yet! It's like taking a glimpse into the future when I might advance to techniques like these. This is so great!
C'mon, there must be something that you do in your life besides sleeping or working? And then for the first time he was really thinking and what did he reply: I watch TV!
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- KVRAF
- 11373 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
I followed some of the wisdom from the excellent Sound On Sound Synth Secrets series when I synthesized a piano sound with FabFilter Twin 2 back in the day. I highly recommend it.
The trickiest part was to get the synthesized piano to play semi-realistically over a wide range of velocity inputs and octaves. It was easiest to get it quite realistic at low octaves but not at all easy at higher notes, especially considering how limited FF Twin 2 is. I also ended up running out of modulation connections (max 32 of them in Twin 2 which includes all velocity and keyboard tracking modules).
This is how that piano sound sounds:
FF Twin 2 piano
If you happen to have FF Twin you can look up the patch that is part of the factory presets now.
The trickiest part was to get the synthesized piano to play semi-realistically over a wide range of velocity inputs and octaves. It was easiest to get it quite realistic at low octaves but not at all easy at higher notes, especially considering how limited FF Twin 2 is. I also ended up running out of modulation connections (max 32 of them in Twin 2 which includes all velocity and keyboard tracking modules).
This is how that piano sound sounds:
FF Twin 2 piano
If you happen to have FF Twin you can look up the patch that is part of the factory presets now.
"Wisdom is wisdom, regardless of the idiot who said it." -an idiot
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 490 posts since 23 Sep, 2003 from Hungary
That subtractive piano sounds really nice! Now I also wanna jump on this train, and create something similar 2! 
Anyways, I'll work further on my physical model: I think, the part that is missing stuff is the hammer. It's way too noisy and lacks metallic sounds and inharmonic parts. Probably I'll change the 3 filters to some combs that can create a more realistic hammer sound.
Anyways, I'll work further on my physical model: I think, the part that is missing stuff is the hammer. It's way too noisy and lacks metallic sounds and inharmonic parts. Probably I'll change the 3 filters to some combs that can create a more realistic hammer sound.-
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 490 posts since 23 Sep, 2003 from Hungary
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- Patchmeister
- 1929 posts since 3 Nov, 2010
HEY!!! I din't say you can't but the time necessary to be invested to get a desired result is WAY more than I would put into it BUT when someone does pull it off I give props where props are due.juno987654321 wrote: Choos is always skeptical thinking you can't create such real instruments on a synth.
hahahaha just messing around but I've come across a rare few people that gave achieved similar results with other instruments but they spend SO much time on it.
CHOOSX Remakes on my Youtube Channel
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- Patchmeister
- 1929 posts since 3 Nov, 2010
Funny I was thinking of you when I saw this threadbmanic wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:44 pm I followed some of the wisdom from the excellent Sound On Sound Synth Secrets series when I synthesized a piano sound with FabFilter Twin 2 back in the day. I highly recommend it.
The trickiest part was to get the synthesized piano to play semi-realistically over a wide range of velocity inputs and octaves. It was easiest to get it quite realistic at low octaves but not at all easy at higher notes, especially considering how limited FF Twin 2 is. I also ended up running out of modulation connections (max 32 of them in Twin 2 which includes all velocity and keyboard tracking modules).
This is how that piano sound sounds:
FF Twin 2 piano
If you happen to have FF Twin you can look up the patch that is part of the factory presets now.
CHOOSX Remakes on my Youtube Channel
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- KVRist
- 60 posts since 19 Apr, 2021
Wow that's really impressive. Almost makes me want to get a PC just to use this.
Noise Producer
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- KVRian
- 527 posts since 4 Dec, 2019
You guys are awesome! Wish you would contribute as much to people's education in sound design on kvraudio as Choos does here but, 9b0, last time you contributed in that fashion you really did help out with that formant filter sound from Finary Binary. That was some real good educational stuff and I always appreciate this most.
Choos, you know that I'm just messing around, too. Of course I was just teasing you!
I think you help to keep this forum alive with a huge repertoire of inside knowledge and that's just something everybody could notice from the given facts.
In the end we all share that high motivation for sound design on synth plugins which is the thing that brings us together here. Great!
Choos, you know that I'm just messing around, too. Of course I was just teasing you!
I think you help to keep this forum alive with a huge repertoire of inside knowledge and that's just something everybody could notice from the given facts.
In the end we all share that high motivation for sound design on synth plugins which is the thing that brings us together here. Great!
C'mon, there must be something that you do in your life besides sleeping or working? And then for the first time he was really thinking and what did he reply: I watch TV!
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- KVRAF
- 2856 posts since 10 Jul, 2008 from Orbit SW US
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if this post is edited -it was for punctuation, grammar, or to make it coherent (or make me seem coherent).
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- KVRAF
- 6780 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
what the f**k that's twin?bmanic wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:44 pm I followed some of the wisdom from the excellent Sound On Sound Synth Secrets series when I synthesized a piano sound with FabFilter Twin 2 back in the day. I highly recommend it.
The trickiest part was to get the synthesized piano to play semi-realistically over a wide range of velocity inputs and octaves. It was easiest to get it quite realistic at low octaves but not at all easy at higher notes, especially considering how limited FF Twin 2 is. I also ended up running out of modulation connections (max 32 of them in Twin 2 which includes all velocity and keyboard tracking modules).
This is how that piano sound sounds:
FF Twin 2 piano
If you happen to have FF Twin you can look up the patch that is part of the factory presets now.
to the op:
congrats, that sounds great!
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- KVRAF
- 11373 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
Yup. FabFilter Twin 2 + 3rd party reverb (I think it was Ariesverb).Ploki wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 2:58 pmwhat the f**k that's twin?bmanic wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:44 pm I followed some of the wisdom from the excellent Sound On Sound Synth Secrets series when I synthesized a piano sound with FabFilter Twin 2 back in the day. I highly recommend it.
The trickiest part was to get the synthesized piano to play semi-realistically over a wide range of velocity inputs and octaves. It was easiest to get it quite realistic at low octaves but not at all easy at higher notes, especially considering how limited FF Twin 2 is. I also ended up running out of modulation connections (max 32 of them in Twin 2 which includes all velocity and keyboard tracking modules).
This is how that piano sound sounds:
FF Twin 2 piano
If you happen to have FF Twin you can look up the patch that is part of the factory presets now.
That preset won me a FabFilter T-Shirt back then.
"Wisdom is wisdom, regardless of the idiot who said it." -an idiot
"They don't ban hate speech; they ban speech they hate." -an oracle
"They don't ban hate speech; they ban speech they hate." -an oracle
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- KVRAF
- 16740 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
I recently realized that I owned Audiority's "Modular Piano" and the author links to a (very limited) discussion of his work in Reaktor that led to the sample library. He (Luca Capozzi) doesn't give any real detail on the internals, but there are some videos that show the sound of his Reaktor patch as well as the sampled Kontakt instrument.
https://www.behance.net/gallery/324142/Modular-Piano
I really have no idea how or why I own this. It must have either been a freebie or something that I got in some plugin-boutique bundle or something. I hadn't even downloaded it once when I checked my account for "sounds."
Also, I'm not sure that I'd ever use it. Synthesizing a piano seems like something that's more fun to do as a learning exercise than to use in a track.
https://www.behance.net/gallery/324142/Modular-Piano
I really have no idea how or why I own this. It must have either been a freebie or something that I got in some plugin-boutique bundle or something. I hadn't even downloaded it once when I checked my account for "sounds."
Also, I'm not sure that I'd ever use it. Synthesizing a piano seems like something that's more fun to do as a learning exercise than to use in a track.