Logic piano roll tips?

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KVRAF
2266 posts since 26 Mar, 2002 from london

Post Tue May 04, 2021 3:08 am

I've finally gotten around to trying out Logic for the first time since perhaps 2002(?), having been a Tracktion/Waveform devotee for a long time.

There's no doubt it's a great package for the price, and I'm feeling fairly comfortable in the environment after about 2 hours of use. But whether or not it becomes my main DAW will depend on how easily I can zoom around the piano roll for fast midi editing. In Waveform using mousewheel to zoom focusses at the cursor position, which enables me to zoom out and then in to whatever region needs attention more or less instantly. I got accustomed to the key commands to zoom in Logic but it seems to zoom to playhead position, which seems rather counter-intuitive to me, and doesn't allow for the same sort of fast navigation. So I wonder if there are ways to change this behaviour, or whether there are other speedy shortcuts to e.g. select a bunch of notes and then frame them in the piano roll? I've watched a tutorial on useful keyboard shortcuts but not found what I'm hoping for so far.
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KVRian
585 posts since 25 Jan, 2014

Post Tue May 04, 2021 3:38 am

Option + select the region you want to zoom

KVRAF

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2266 posts since 26 Mar, 2002 from london

Post Tue May 04, 2021 9:08 am

Thanks, that'll probably do it.

I'm liking Drum Machine Designer so far. All looking very promising.
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KVRAF
18728 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Tue May 04, 2021 11:33 am

chagzuki wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 9:08 am
Thanks, that'll probably do it.

I'm liking Drum Machine Designer so far. All looking very promising.
Drum Machine Designer plus the new Sampler and Quick Sampler are excellent! The devs did a great job on them! Likewise with the new Step Sequencer. It feels like an invigorating new energy has come into Logic.

KVRian
516 posts since 17 Oct, 2018

Post Tue May 04, 2021 4:08 pm

DMD is great. It's so easy to use and get started with. I like that you can put anything you want in the slots. Synths, Sampler, Kontakt, whatever. Very powerful and versatile. Reminds of Ableton's Racks but easier to use in certain aspects.
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KVRist
192 posts since 19 Jan, 2009 from West Hollywood

Post Wed May 05, 2021 10:02 pm

Jolaff wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 3:38 am
Option + select the region you want to zoom
There is a little more to it.

The horizontal zoom behavior is different in the Workspace and the Piano Roll Editor

Workspace
If no Region is selected, then the Playhead is used as the anchor when zooming in
If a Region(s0 is selected, then the start of the first selected Region is used as the anchor

Piano Roll Editor
If you select a MIDI Event, then the Playhead uses the left border of the MIDI Event as an Anchor to zoom in horizontally. BUT, only if Playhead is not positioned inside that Region. IN that case, the Playhead is used as the anchor.

Regarding scrolling/zooming and workflow, nothing beats the Trackpad. I explain that in great details with lots of examples and demonstrations in my YouTube video about the Trackpad in my series "Music Tech Explained"
https://youtu.be/CtvZN2EyTAc
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KVRAF

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2266 posts since 26 Mar, 2002 from london

Post Thu May 06, 2021 3:15 am

Thanks Edgar, your channel looks great, will have a proper look.

One thing that's annoying/amusing: I'd forgotten about the typical experience of using Logic on a PC back in 2002 which involved the audio engine stopping constantly. CPUs were crap at the time and for some reason Logic's audio engine was designed to stop playback instead of stuttering or lurching. I remember finding this impossible to work with, since even with moderate projects the CPU load would spike now and then.

Well, it seems to still be the case. I'm using an M1 Mac, which runs pretty well, though perhaps not as well as I'd have expected from other people's reports. I probably need to disable some background processes, but it strikes me as silly that whenever CPU load spikes Logic has to stop and tell me politely that it needed to stop.
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KVRAF

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2266 posts since 26 Mar, 2002 from london

Post Thu May 06, 2021 6:10 am

So in using Drum Machine Designer, if I want to have the same EQ applied to a few drum pads, e.g. a set of cymbals, it looks as though that's not possible. What would be the best workflow to achieve something like this?
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KVRian
516 posts since 17 Oct, 2018

Post Thu May 06, 2021 11:42 am

chagzuki wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 6:10 am
So in using Drum Machine Designer, if I want to have the same EQ applied to a few drum pads, e.g. a set of cymbals, it looks as though that's not possible. What would be the best workflow to achieve something like this?
You can use a bus. Route those channels to a bus and then route that aux back to the DMD.
Studio One 5.2 // Bitwig 3.3.4 // Logic Pro X 10.6 // Ableton 11 // Reason 11 // MPC // Force // Maschine

KVRAF

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2266 posts since 26 Mar, 2002 from london

Post Fri May 07, 2021 1:20 am

apoclypse wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 11:42 am
You can use a bus. Route those channels to a bus and then route that aux back to the DMD.
I can see there's a lot of flexibility with routing. That method seems to create some issues with soloing track behaviour... but I'm guessing there are ways to configure that.
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