The hell of using multiple DAWs: mouse wheel gestures

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KVRAF
8863 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Sun May 16, 2021 1:41 am

While using multiple DAWs I can somehow quickly adjust to different workflow and even keyboard shortcuts, but the thing that I keep tripping over is mouse wheel actions for scrolling & zooming. Out of curiosity I decided to compile them for the DAWs I own and - unsurprisingly - they're all over the place, with only S1 and Reason being the same:

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I know some DAWs let you actually change that behaviour (Reaper, Mixcraft), but - AFAIK - none of the above does.

I'm sharing a link to Google Docs document, so if anyone's interested they could add other DAWs for comaprison.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
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KVRian
581 posts since 17 Oct, 2018

Post Sun May 16, 2021 6:58 am

The best pointing device to use, especially on a Mac, is a trackpad. You avoid pretty much all of this as most daws use the consistent pinch to zoom and for horizontal zooming it’s a mix between alt+ two finger swipe or cmd + two finger swipe.
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KVRAF

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8863 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Sun May 16, 2021 8:14 am

apoclypse wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 6:58 am
The best pointing device to use, especially on a Mac, is a trackpad. You avoid pretty much all of this as most daws use the consistent pinch to zoom and for horizontal zooming it’s a mix between alt+ two finger swipe or cmd + two finger swipe.
Indeed, somehow it's less disctracting with a touchpad, even on Windows. But I found out - watching my own videos doing something in a DAW, actually - then I require many more swipes & am less precise with a touchpad. Maybe it would be different on Mac, as I hear they're much superior in this regard :)
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KVRAF
21979 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from not here

Post Sun May 16, 2021 9:10 am

haven't used a mouse in like 6 yrs. At first I was not so good with the trackpad, now I wouldn't want a mouse. On macbook pros. Pretty sensitive, actually the whole computer is which is kind of irritating for klutzy me, because things may be actuated touching the side of the machine.

In Cubase horizonal zooming is simply hit G for out and H for in, wherever you are. I only need vertical for a waveform and have that assigned to zoom one step via control-H (and 2 finger swipe-scroll), it's shift-G to zoom out in the default key commands.

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KVRAF
19140 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Sun May 16, 2021 9:53 am

Shift + MW also works in Bitwig for horizontal scrolling.

I use the Trackpad for navigation generally (Mac).

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KVRAF
2065 posts since 3 Mar, 2010

Post Sun May 16, 2021 10:35 am

Have you tried this: https://www.highrez.co.uk/downloads/XMo ... ontrol.htm?

From the website: "X-Mouse Button Control (XMBC) allows you to create application and window specific profiles. This in turn, allows you to re-configure your mouse behaviour for individual applications or windows. For each profile you can also configure up to 10 'layers' of different button configurations which you can switch between using hot-keys or mouse buttons."

I use this and it works well. I think you should be able to create a standard set of mouse button controls that you know and like, and then assign each of the application-specific actions in your chart above to your one preferred set of controls.

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KVRAF

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8863 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Sun May 16, 2021 12:19 pm

pdxindy wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 9:53 am
Shift + MW also works in Bitwig for horizontal scrolling.
It doesn't on Windows :(
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KVRAF
1791 posts since 8 Jun, 2018

Post Sun May 16, 2021 12:20 pm

antic604 wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 1:41 am
While using multiple DAWs I can somehow quickly adjust to different workflow and even keyboard shortcuts, but the thing that I keep tripping over is mouse wheel actions for scrolling & zooming. Out of curiosity I decided to compile them for the DAWs I own and - unsurprisingly - they're all over the place, with only S1 and Reason being the same:

Image

I know some DAWs let you actually change that behaviour (Reaper, Mixcraft), but - AFAIK - none of the above does.

I'm sharing a link to Google Docs document, so if anyone's interested they could add other DAWs for comaprison.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
haha i have the same thing, the scrolling behavior... the hell? the hell is the other DAW.

and some standalone applications, do it also, sometimes i must think what was it again, shift/alt or ctrl, first i must check it...

or some vst plugins... so the hell is bigger than you think...
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KVRAF
7071 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from Auckland, NZ

Post Sun May 16, 2021 2:29 pm

jancivil wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 9:10 am

In Cubase horizonal zooming is simply hit G for out and H for in, wherever you are.
Exactly! I use this the most for zooming. Very fast workflow :)
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KVRist
304 posts since 29 Apr, 2019

Post Sun May 16, 2021 3:08 pm

Live I have to say was the easiest to remember because there's no ctrl+X+MW combos

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KVRAF
2065 posts since 3 Mar, 2010

Post Sun May 16, 2021 3:10 pm

I think the link I included above would solve these problems, and it is free :).

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KVRAF

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8863 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Sun May 16, 2021 11:33 pm

MuzikFreq wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 3:08 pm
Live I have to say was the easiest to remember because there's no ctrl+X+MW combos
Indeed, but it's infutiating that horizontal zoom (Ctrl+MW) is super sensitive, while horizontal scrolling (Shift+MW) is very sluggish. With Live touchpad is the way to go for me.
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KVRAF
21591 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Mon May 17, 2021 12:18 am

I can very much agree with the premise of this thread. It's ridiculous there aren't options for this in every DAW.

I have two mousewheels on my mouse (Logitech MX Master 2S) - the normal vertical one and a thumbwheel for horizontal zoom. So this is how I scroll around. I press Alt and then both wheels are doing zoom in their respective directions. Only works in Reaper, so I guess that's where I'll stay forever. :)

KVRian
581 posts since 17 Oct, 2018

Post Mon May 17, 2021 6:02 am

antic604 wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 12:19 pm
pdxindy wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 9:53 am
Shift + MW also works in Bitwig for horizontal scrolling.
It doesn't on Windows :(
For the most part on Macs the behavior is pretty consistent. I'm not sure why Window is all over the place.
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KVRAF
1644 posts since 26 Aug, 2012

Post Thu May 20, 2021 1:26 pm

shit, I didn't know you could move horizontal and zoom with the wheel in ableton, thanks

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