New T-RackS Compressor

[cprompt]

What I wanted to point out is that contrary to the popular belief - Fabrice Gabriel - isn't developer behind Slate Virtual Mix Rack modules (compressors). It's not even Steven Slate. It is Pulsar Audio.

Outsourcing in the software industry is not uncommon, why is this a problem for you?

Guys from another continent.

Same planet though

From that fact you can draw your own conclusion about the source of other "Slate" products.

Again, what's the problem with whoever wrote particular plugins? Most of NI's plugins were outsourced. Most (maybe all?) of Kush's were outsourced. So what? It's not a problem... after all, surely it's the end result that counts, not who actually wrote the code.

[PieBerger]

What I wanted to point out is that contrary to the popular belief - Fabrice Gabriel - isn't developer behind Slate Virtual Mix Rack modules (compressors). It's not even Steven Slate. It is Pulsar Audio.

Outsourcing in the software industry is not uncommon, why is this a problem for you?

Guys from another continent.

Same planet though

From that fact you can draw your own conclusion about the source of other "Slate" products.

Again, what's the problem with whoever wrote particular plugins? Most of NI's plugins were outsourced. Most (maybe all?) of Kush's were outsourced. So what? It's not a problem... after all, surely it's the end result that counts, not who actually wrote the code.

I's not the outsourcing that's a problem, as far as I understand it, but rather a style of marketing that is a bit dishonest and underhanded. NI are quite proud of promoting any third party that has been involved in the development of one of their products. Conversely, Slate selling plugins FG-[name], where the FG implies algorithms by Fabrice Gabriel, where there are none i.e. all of the DSP programming was outsourced, is just a bit slimey.

[jamcat]

And here I thought FG stood for “F’n Good.”

[imrae]

Whether outsourcing is a problem really comes down to how competent the client is to manage such a relationship.

When NI outsource things I expect there is still a meaningful developer-to-developer relationship and some consideration of long-term maintainability/interoperability.

Whereas Sample Magic didn't know what they were doing and bought a great plugin (Stacker) that they had no capability to maintain; it is now withdrawn and unsupported.

[cprompt]

Slate selling plugins FG-[name], where the FG implies algorithms by Fabrice Gabriel, where there are none i.e. all of the DSP programming was outsourced, is just a bit slimey.

Well, I don't know about that, but perhaps Fabrice architects the plugins (even though he doesn't actually do the programming) and has final say on what is approved, so in a way they are still "FG" plugins.

Many great artists (eg Michelangelo, Rembrandt, Rubens and even Andy Warhol) often did very little of their own painting and used assistants to actually do the work. They'd do the preliminary sketches, hand them over to be finished and then sign the finished result, taking all the credit. I don't think what Slate is doing is substantially different.

[jens]

What I wanted to point out is that contrary to the popular belief - Fabrice Gabriel - isn't developer behind Slate Virtual Mix Rack modules (compressors). It's not even Steven Slate. It is Pulsar Audio. Guys from another continent.

What do you mean with "another continent"? Slate Digital France is situated in the beautiful city of Grenoble, as is Pulsar Audio (and Arturia as well by the way) - yes, they are literally in the same city.

[SoftSynthLover99]

did he start up eiosis and code the AirEQ? or was that outsourced too?

I don't know anything about that. I remember 10 or more years ago that he started Eiosis indeed. And I would expect that AirEQ modules in VMR share same code, that would be native expectations.

What I wanted to point out is that contrary to the popular belief - Fabrice Gabriel - isn't developer behind Slate Virtual Mix Rack modules (compressors). It's not even Steven Slate. It is Pulsar Audio. Guys from another continent.

From that fact you can draw your own conclusion about the source of other "Slate" products.

I still remember Steven Slate videos where he's acting like he was developer himself

Oh wow yeah I get what you mean I was unaware he outsourced to Pulsar Audio. His marketing style certainly doesn't point to that being the case with the way he talks about making sure every nuance of hardware being captured is accurate in every detail etc. He does make it sound as if he is overlooking and coding himself at times lol.

Kind of disappointing he doesn’t give pulsar audio any kind of credit for the work they’ve done. Native Instruments at least let you know in the GUI who made a lot of the libraries and plugins.

Not a big deal but good to know nonetheless

[cprompt]

Kind of disappointing he doesn’t give pulsar audio any kind of credit for the work they’ve done.

I imagine he gave them a load of money which is how these sort of commercial agreements work

[jens]

Oh wow yeah I get what you mean I was unaware he outsourced to Pulsar Audio. His marketing style certainly doesn't point to that being the case with the way he talks about making sure every nuance of hardware being captured is accurate in every detail etc. He does make it sound as if he is overlooking and coding himself at times lol.

Kind of disappointing he doesn’t give pulsar audio any kind of credit for the work they’ve done. Native Instruments at least let you know in the GUI who made a lot of the libraries and plugins.

Not a big deal but good to know nonetheless

don't believe every crap some dude tells you on teh interwebz - the three guys who founded Pulsar Audio (which exists since 2017) worked for Slate / Eiosis (and partly also for Arturia) in the past, that's all there is to it. Again: all three (or four, depending on how you look at it) companies are in the same French city.

[kmonkey]

What I wanted to point out is that contrary to the popular belief - Fabrice Gabriel - isn't developer behind Slate Virtual Mix Rack modules (compressors). It's not even Steven Slate. It is Pulsar Audio.

Outsourcing in the software industry is not uncommon, why is this a problem for you?

Guys from another continent.

Same planet though

From that fact you can draw your own conclusion about the source of other "Slate" products.

Again, what's the problem with whoever wrote particular plugins? Most of NI's plugins were outsourced. Most (maybe all?) of Kush's were outsourced. So what? It's not a problem... after all, surely it's the end result that counts, not who actually wrote the code.

Kindly read again what I wrote. Please don't make assumptions. I responded to the person which was under (clearly) wrong impression of where these plugins originated from.

I never said that outsourcing is a problem nor that it is a problem for me (I have all Slate plugins).

Read to what I responded and it will be clear to you.

[kmonkey]

What do you mean with "another continent"? Slate Digital France is situated in the beautiful city of Grenoble, as is Pulsar Audio (and Arturia as well by the way) - yes, they are literally in the same city.

Sorry for not being clear. I was referring to a Steven being from USA. He might have different subsidiaries across world.

Pulsar Audio is not from USA hence my comment about continent. It was a joke aimed toward him making claims (back then) how he developed dynamic modules for VMR, when in fact they were developed in another country at another continent. I find that act funny perhaps deceptive a bit - hence my snarky joke.

I never insinuated nor did I pointed out some superiority between continents, geo political nonsense or whatever. If someone see it as that - it's a problem in their mind not mine.

[kmonkey]

don't believe every crap some dude tells you on teh interwebz - the three guys who founded Pulsar Audio (which exists since 2017) worked for Slate / Eiosis (and partly also for Arturia) in the past, that's all there is to it. Again: all three (or four, depending on how you look at it) companies are in the same French city.

True he shouldn't. He should especially not listen comments from psychopaths which literally lives on the internet forum.

As for your "crap" interwebz nonsense:

Pulsar Audio themselves said that. And they were quite clear - these modules were developed by them on their own - For Slate audio. They said it on Gearspace several times but hey - don't believe my nonsense. Ask them directly. I talked with them via email, you can as well.

Then buy yourself a sandwich

Do you need help?

[Teksonik]

Since this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=43&t=563136&start=15&hilit=TRacks
where the issue was discussed before was locked I'll post the video here. This thread has already gone way off topic so...

Today I wanted to demo the British Channel again before the sale is over and got the white noise that IK multimedia plugins are not supposed to make while in demo mode. The Custom Shop was open and I was logged in. There were no other plugins loaded except FL'S FPC plugin just to generate some audio input and no it never makes a white noise. One other user reported this issue as well and it doesn't just affect the British Channel in demo mode. The issue occurs in FL Studio, Reaper, and Cakewalk by Bandlab all 64 bit on Win 10. The noise occurs at the 8 second mark and the 18 second mark of the video. Forgive the quality, I shot it with my cellphone:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FOpdQc ... sp=sharing

I'll probably pick up the British Channel before the sale is over just wanted to give a heads up in case anyone else experiences this with TRacks plugins run in demo mode. I own all but a few of the TRacks plugins so I doubt I'll need to demo any others at least in the foreseeable future.

[plexuss]

Hey Tek. Last night I was working with Comprexxxor in demo mode and it was working correctly, making noise with Shop closed, and making no noise when the Shop was open.

If it's not too much trouble you might try and reboot to see if that fixes the issue. Or maybe it was just a malfunction.

[Teksonik]

I always do a fresh reboot every morning. It's probably something to do with the Custom Shop but it was open and I was logged in so not sure what could be going on. But IK's statement that "our demos do not produce white noise" is obviously incorrect.

It only happens with the demos so not a big deal just reporting the issue.