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chk071 wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:24 pm
jancivil wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:35 pm I'm glad I have not a lot of need for Cubase's quick control or vst control, it's kind of pathetic, insanely outdated.
I've been fiddling a bit with it recently. Still don't like it. The track quick controls are too limited, and the VST quick controls are something I probably will never get my head around. I read the manual, I read some explanation attempts on the Steinberg forums, and I still don't get it.

The best implementation for me to date is Studio One's Control Link. I don't use it anymore though, because, when you learn your controller for it, you lose the ability to use VSTi's internal MIDI learn (obviously... it basically just overrides the "normal" MIDI CC messaging), which basically renders stuff like Komplete Kontrol useless.

I went the "no bullshit" route now: Don't learn the MIDI controller for Control Link at all, and use the softies internal MIDI learn. Means I have to use controller templates for Largo and V-Station, as they don't have a MIDI learn system, but, that's alright. Bit of work going through the MIDI CC lists of those instruments is a nice sideline as well. :) And, for V-Station, my keyboard even had a built in template, as it's from Novation.
Yes your method seems good to me, especially if you switch between DAW, and there are some case when you can only midi learn parameter that aren't exposed as VST parameter (i remember MOTU BPM has no vst parameter but only midi learn, and Fabfilter Pro Q give the ability to control the selected filter with midi learn but it's not exposed as VST Parameter - instead filter 1..N is exposed as vst parameter) , but two things i like from Control link more than midi cc learn , Control link can transmit data to controller (useful when you have ring led, screen or motorized fader) and you don't have to create a midi(instrument track).
There's something else i have not test is the difference in resolution, i have noticed for example that inside native instruments maschine software if you insert a vst ,the resolution to control a vst parameter is finer -i can access to extra step value- than using maschine in midi cc mode (do not remember how was the resolution in maschine mackie mode).
I noticed the same with Softube Console 1 , the resolution is finer when i control Console 1 plugin the way it was design for (with the additional software layer called Console 1 on screen display) than if i control Console 1 plugin with Console 1 hardware in midi mode.
Maybe it's because when these hardwares use their dedicated software there aren't using midi cc resolution... i don't really know

Not only related to cubase or s1 but according to you , problem with sample accuracy automation is more a DAW problem or more a plugin problem? (i remember that depending on the vst when i increase or decrease the sample buffer the timing of the automation moved - sonically not visually, i have to make some test because i ve read that it was a VST2 problem and should be ok with VST3)

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Quick and VST Controls today seems weird, but there must be things which for whatever reason need help to assign MIDI control to.
I don't have any of those things on the instrument side, apparently. It's always completely simple, you assign the code numbers in the UI of the virtual instrument you want to control and send data from Cubase Key Editor. There's very little I know of with very exotic preset assignments. Orchestral Tools has some but they're not things I ever need to do (in SINE anyway). SonicCouture used to like to assign the numbers in the 70s to the filter and so forth.
I developed a methodology, like CC12 in whatever is cutoff freq; CC13 is resonance; CC14 is filter env amount etc. Which is easier when you have more than one MIDI port (VE Pro VST3), else run into channel conflicts.

The only reason I wasted that time in those was I had a controller that wasn't built to do that in Cubase under that OS. Normally for me controllers just work once assigned. I did all of these assignments like an idiot before I saw it working.

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i ve just understand why i thought studio one was better on cpu/latency than cubase..it's just that i didn't see that the drop out protection on S1 can't be removed and it always add at least 128 samples (to me it's not really a good thing), so basically it means that i have to change my buffer size when i use cubase to add 128 samples, to be in the same situation..i have not made the test yet but i have the feeling that they will be in same ballpark. sorry to have not seen this before claiming that S1 handles the cpu better than cubase...but in a way S1 is a bit smarter with the S1 low latency instrument monitoring is just genius it's kind of direct audio monitoring...but for vst instrument

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rardier wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:02 pm...but in a way S1 is a bit smarter with the S1 low latency instrument monitoring is just genius it's kind of direct audio monitoring...but for vst instrument
But this is exactly why it's "better" in this regard :)
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apparently Cubase ASIO guard doing exactly the same thing

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rardier wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:02 pm i ve just understand why i thought studio one was better on cpu/latency than cubase..it's just that i didn't see that the drop out protection on S1 can't be removed and it always add at least 128 samples (to me it's not really a good thing)
That’s not totally true. If you set it to minimum then it’s off as long as your buffer is 64 samples or above.

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oneway wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:36 pm
rardier wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:02 pm i ve just understand why i thought studio one was better on cpu/latency than cubase..it's just that i didn't see that the drop out protection on S1 can't be removed and it always add at least 128 samples (to me it's not really a good thing)
That’s not totally true. If you set it to minimum then it’s off as long as your buffer is 64 samples or above.
you're right i ve just made some test,but it's not really clear for me, i have to make more research cause i don't really understand when drop out protection or asio guard is taken in accout in latency not as obvious as changing the buffer size of your soundcard , also the instrument low latency "latency" is dependent of the buffer size of your soundcard and your drop out protection level (at least it's not dependent of -PDC- latencies of the plugins inside the project like cubase)

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I started using Studio One after buying the Faderport8, and now it has replaced Cubase in my PC. It has less features but it is more reliable and less CPU hungry which is critical if you are making music.
Studio One 5 initially had serious bugs but as of May 2021 they have fixed the most critical ones in several free updates. Cubase instead, publishes updates at a slower pace and with each yearly release you have to pay if you still want updates (which is actually counter-productive because usually new versions break new things and you have to re-adapt your workflow to avoid them). If you look at the Cubase forum,the second most requested feature is "bug fixes"... Personally, I'm waiting for the dongle-free implementation but I now think of Cubase as a way to open old projects or a MIDI editor more than anything.

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Steinberg's practices at this time are big on new features and small on bug repair, it appears. But one may not notice the bugs, it depends. Lotta 'em I never have to see. I think the plague has impacted the company like everything, to be fair. Historically some things don't get fixed until the next paid cycle.

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I’ve been trying out Studio One but came across the free Cakewalk by Bandlab as well. I have to say, I’m really impressed with both but Cakewalk is free! At the moment, if I were to stop using Cubase, Cakewalk would be very tempting! The only things holding me back is there is no Mac version for collaboration with Mac based colleagues. Also, the graphics and fonts etc are really dated and a bit blocky.
I’m very keen to see how Cakewalk develops in the future!

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dickiefunk wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 5:26 pm...I have to say, I’m really impressed with both but Cakewalk is free!
Yeah, was impressed with it too. The only thing I didn't liked was the MIDI editor, but probably if I'd spent more time customising the shortucts it would be usable for me. It's crazy that it's free, indeed!
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Studio One's ahead of Cubase. No comparison. Cubase is probably more feature rich though. Studio One is the future, and more modern. Steinberg is content with same users from 10 years ago imo. If you defend Cubase, and then bought Studio One don't reply to this lol.

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I've been thinking back and forth a bit, trying out Cubase AI 11, Cakewalk and Reaper, but, in the end, I always go back to Studio One. Even with all the bloat (for me) they added in version 5, it's still the most streamlined, lightweight DAW of them all, without the clutter of Cubase, the menu and settings clutter and the bad GUI of Reaper, and the feature clutter of Cakewalk. You simply notice that it's the younger DAW, and that the developers chose carefully and considerate to implement features. Yes, it's not perfect (nothing in the audio software world really is), but, it's simply more perfect than the other DAW's for me. There's always the one or the other major "MEH" moment when using other DAW's in comparison.

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Is Cakewalk actively being worked on or just offered free as is?
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melomood wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 12:09 am Is Cakewalk actively being worked on or just offered free as is?
It's very active, actually. With a huge list of features & fixes every 3-6 months:
http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?p ... s.001.html
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