'musical' delay - is there such a thing?

[ibm235]

Hi folks, in view of the unbelievable abundance of really weird delay VSTs, I could imagine that my idea might not be that completely utopian; especially since the technical, i.e. programming-related implementation should probably actually be simple:



I am thinking of a delay that automatically calculates its repeats in pitch according to the tone system. So specifically you make the selection before use, for example major / minor and the key and the delay generates repeats from their range - ideally with setting options for various parameters such as down / up / random octave range, etc. If I could still dream now, of course, a selection of different sound systems from the world and music history would be awesome. I know, for example, that I can set the tonality of the programs on my MPC4000 to at least 7 different tone systems (scales), but that by the way. Well, maybe there is such a 'musical' delay - I would have fun with it ...

[Dirtgrain]

You can put a pitch shifter on each tap in Blue Cate Audio's Late Replies, setting each to whatever steps you want, but you have to set the pitches manually. You can do all sorts of stuff uniquely to each tap (haven't found that always useful, but for some things it can sound cool). I guess you could make number of presets for your favorite scales/notes for the taps, and switch between them. My apologies if this is not helpful--just brainstorming.

[Dirtgrain]

Well, I just did this with Late Replies. One thing is that some of the patterns I put in were predictably not often musical if I played different notes--one would have to be quite selective what notes to play (and notes on delay taps) to make it work that way.

[Clearscreen]

I'm not sure pitch shifting the delays sound to match midi is what the OP's after?
Sounds like they're after something that might set the delay frequency to one matching the midi note? That's something I've always meant to try in Reaktor. Would that basically be Karplus-Strong stuff at higher frequencies?
Anyway - I might be totally wrong...

[whyterabbyt]

I am thinking of a delay that automatically calculates its repeats in pitch according to the tone system.

Can you be more specific about what you mean by this?

Do you mean that the pitch of the repeated sounds is changed, or that the time between repeats is changed? Or something else?

How do you expect changes to the delay repeats/pitches/whatever to behave given that any previous notes may still be being repeated?

BTW, if you want to hear what this sounds like, to determine if its actually as useful as you think it is, you can test it using multiple parallel tracks, one per note, each with their own delay.

[imrae]

I think OP is looking for a comb filter or resonator? That's what we usually call a delay with time comparable to an audible note.

Try the Melda MComb; set the frequency to an exact note value (e.g. A=440Hz) and then tune from there using the semitone "shift" parameter.

[whyterabbyt]

I think OP is looking for a comb filter or resonator? That's what we usually call a delay with time comparable to an audible note.

The talking about 'repeats' made me think they were talking about something of a longer duration than that, though. OP definiitely needs to explain more.

[CinningBao]

The only pitch-analysing (and scale-quantising) delay plugin I know of is Octavox/Quadravox. But the feedback path doesn't feed back in what went out, so you can't get continuous pitching up/down through the scales. You could, though, put it in your own delay path, and feedback the (monophonic) output back into itself. Only then would the fed-back signal be re-pitched by the plugin. You could set up this feedback path in a plugin like Blue Cats Late Replies or just using your DAW's bus routing functions.

[fairlyclose]

The only pitch-analysing (and scale-quantising) delay plugin I know of is Octavox/Quadravox. But the feedback path doesn't feed back in what went out, so you can't get continuous pitching up/down through the scales. You could, though, put it in your own delay path, and feedback the (monophonic) output back into itself. Only then would the fed-back signal be re-pitched by the plugin. You could set up this feedback path in a plugin like Blue Cats Late Replies or just using your DAW's bus routing functions.

was just playing with octavox in late replies to see if it works. It does of course but I did not find it all that useful. You could do multiple parallel taps each with their own setting but for me not musically worth the effort to figure out a useful feedback routine. Single octavox is good though but no long repeating delays as you say. I wonder if objeq delay might work

[fairlyclose]

Probably mentioned but Late Replies has its own melodic sequncing delays as presets too

[vurt]

I am thinking of a delay that automatically calculates its repeats in pitch according to the tone system.

Can you be more specific about what you mean by this?

Do you mean that the pitch of the repeated sounds is changed, or that the time between repeats is changed? Or something else?

How do you expect changes to the delay repeats/pitches/whatever to behave given that any previous notes may still be being repeated?

BTW, if you want to hear what this sounds like, to determine if its actually as useful as you think it is, you can test it using multiple parallel tracks, one per note, each with their own delay.

i think he means, repeats in key.
so for dm
you play a d, the repeats would follow through d e f g a bflat c...

[ibm235]

My content-related explanations are still being filtered, forgive me I have to generate 3 more pointless posts ...

[ibm235]

I really appreciate the KVR side since I turned to software solutions ...

[ibm235]

I hope after this post I will be able to write texts that (for whatever reason) do not conform to the filter ...

[ibm235]

One more, perhaps...