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cowby · Post by **cowby** » Mon May 31, 2021 9:51 am

Hi, as my subject said...

My definition of High quality wireless mouse is something like logitech mx master 3 and Microsoft Precision mouse. Any benefit to use these kind of mouse when using DAW? e.g Selection and point and draw some notes in piano roll ? Will it also help on turning knobs/sliders in a more precision fashion on a VST synths?

Regards!
cowby

Burillo · Post by **Burillo** » Mon May 31, 2021 10:43 am

i bought a wireless vertical mouse, because i like my wrists in working condition. a proper ergonomic mouse will do much more for you than "high precision" mouse.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon May 31, 2021 10:51 am

No high quality here. Just a bog standard Logitech G305 which I also use for gaming. Great precision, can't complain about anything. They already have very precise sensors in 40 € mice these days. If anything, the gaming mice should actually be better in that regard, because, equally priced "office" mice usually have lower resolution and refresh rates.

Won't stake my life on the build quality though. I had 2 or 3 mice from Logitech which broke after, like, 2 or 3 years. They don't build in very good switches nowadays.

I think you'd be perfectly fine with the Logitech MX Master. I'm a big fan of Logitech mice, because, those have the best ergonomics IMO.

I have a gaming keyboard from them here, which is almost like new after 10 years. That said, the quality really has diminished in the last 5 or 10 years. They sell stuff for 80 or 90 € now which is comparable with stuff worth 30 € 15 years ago or so.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon May 31, 2021 12:27 pm

I use a cheap wired mouse. After using wireless mice for a while, I didn't like having to charge them and sometimes they lose connection. My cheap wired mouse is plenty precise for me and always works no matter what.

fese · Post by **fese** » Mon May 31, 2021 1:12 pm

I have a non-cheap Cherry MX 400 which so far works great. Had a cheap Logitech before, which was good, too. I bought the Cherry because it has two extra button and I thougt that would be useful, but their position isn’t really ergonomic .
Never wireless. Don’t need it, don’t want it.
I also tried a vertical mouse, didn’t like it, and a very expensive Logitech trackball (ergonomic catastrophe, gave me hand cramps and pains). Nope.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon May 31, 2021 1:17 pm

I wouldn't want to be without wireless anymore. Cable just sucks for mice.

My wireless mouse has a single AA (rechargable) battery, and I always have a spare one fully loaded, so, that's not really an issue (and the mouse software warns you when the battery level is low). Disconnections? Nope. Neither with the mouse I use on my desktop, nor with the one on my laptop.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon May 31, 2021 1:27 pm

i dont want a wireless mouse, i'd always be misplacing it.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon May 31, 2021 1:42 pm

whyterabbyt wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 1:27 pm i dont want a wireless mouse, i'd always be misplacing it.

yeah, it's not like the tv remote, im always sat in the same place, what "freedom" does a mouse require?

mystran · Post by **mystran** » Mon May 31, 2021 1:56 pm

cowby wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 9:51 am My definition of High quality wireless mouse is something like logitech mx master 3 and Microsoft Precision mouse. Any benefit to use these kind of mouse when using DAW? e.g Selection and point and draw some notes in piano roll ? Will it also help on turning knobs/sliders in a more precision fashion on a VST synths?

Having a "flawless sensor" can be nice even for desktop use (eg. any sort of prediction in particular can be quite annoying), but for desktop use you don't generally benefit much from high tracking speed, high DPI, high report rates or low latency (wireless mice can add a few milliseconds; you won't usually notice in desktop use). These don't necessarily hurt and better sensors are better sensors, but mostly that stuff is useful for gaming and basically anything that allows you to accurate control the mouse cursor to pixel precision is good enough for desktop.

That said, very cheap mice can sometimes have truly terrible sensors (ie. hardly track on any surface and even when they do they report pretty much random things), so if you have one of these then getting a slightly better one is definitely something that can help you even in desktop use.

As for wireless... I have a wireless gaming mouse. After having destroyed about 15 mouse cables (they take a lot of abuse if you happen to play fast-paced shooters), I'll take the extra 2ms latency, thank you very much. Ignoring the fact that batteries eventually need changing/recharging, the latency is really the only downside to wireless and these days you can get some decent low-latency mice with flawless high-quality gaming sensors, so... like... there's no real reason to put up with wires.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon May 31, 2021 1:56 pm

chk071 wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 1:17 pm
My wireless mouse has a single AA (rechargable) battery, and I always have a spare one fully loaded

Good for you for using rechargeable!

Dionysos · Post by **Dionysos** » Mon May 31, 2021 2:13 pm

I've never used a truly reliable wireless mouse, so I only use wired ones. Since I don't move them around much, I don't mind the cable much.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Mon May 31, 2021 2:39 pm

I use a simple wireless Logitech M510 mouse on my studio system. Since it never moves from its place on the desk there is no way it will ever get lost. I find that it fits my hand quite comfortably but since we all have different size hands I'd suggest if you can trying out different models to find one that fits you comfortably.

One thing that I find that really helps is using an aluminum mouse pad. I use one on all my systems from studio to gaming to internet. I find the surface makes mouse motion quite smooth and accurate. You can get them for $15 -$20.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon May 31, 2021 2:42 pm

Teksonik wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 2:39 pm I use a simple wireless Logitech M510 mouse on my studio system. Since it never moves from its place on the desk there is no way it will ever get lost. I find that it fits my hand quite comfortably but since we all have different size hands I'd suggest if you can trying out different models to find one that fits you comfortably.

I have that one for my laptop. It's alright really. Only im games, it lacks some precision. But, it's not my gaming computer, so, it doesn't matter. For anything else, it's great.

Can only confirm the "fits my hand comfortably". Logitech is very good at that in my experience.

syntonica · Post by **syntonica** » Mon May 31, 2021 3:29 pm

Meh. Only wired for me, same with keyboards. I hate hate hate! having to break my flow to change out a battery, whether it warns me of imminent failure or not.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Mon May 31, 2021 9:22 pm

I tried to buy one once, and it required a USB dongle to work, defeating the purpose. At the time for some reason I felt the trackpad on my MBP wasn't cutting it, I don't feel that way today at all. i don't recall if it was an old like 2010 machine or my 2018 MBP but I imagine it'll have been the former being less responsive. I have not developed trust in bluetooth/wireless to this day, which can be just me.

Will you buy high quality wireless mouse for using with DAW?