Algonaut unleash Atlas 1.4 to the wild. The best AI drum sampler gets more powerful!

[bassg]

1.Map the kit piece sounds
2.Create usable kits via the Atlas
3. Save kits
4. Create and use Midi grooves/fills

” which area did you get bad results?”
See the previous areas 1-4.

works for me very well, specially points 1-3 (don't know exactly what you mean with point 4)

The Atlas ”AI” is a joke - the ability to recognize and map sounds is lousy.
The end results are 95 % useless.

for me it's the other way round, 5% of useless results, 95% useable

I’ve really tried. I have used really good and coherent sound libraries. But the way Atlas
”AI” does the mapping is in most of the cases not even close usable. And what worst, you can’t manually edit and make the kit better.

yeah, the manual editing of categories is something I am missing, too (I hope the soon to be released v2 will be better in this aspect)

In my opinion the Algonaut guys haven’t even tried. They have abandonet the product - taken the money and run away.

Matt (the developer) is actually a nice guy and does not seem to run away with money (there's v2 around the corner and the upgrade price is very reasonable, I'd say).

But YMMV, of course! I just wanted to balance your negative opinion with a positive one.

[Harry_HH]

1.Map the kit piece sounds
2.Create usable kits via the Atlas
3. Save kits
4. Create and use Midi grooves/fills

” which area did you get bad results?”
See the previous areas 1-4.

works for me very well, specially points 1-3 (don't know exactly what you mean with point 4)

The Atlas ”AI” is a joke - the ability to recognize and map sounds is lousy.
The end results are 95 % useless.

for me it's the other way round, 5% of useless results, 95% useable

I’ve really tried. I have used really good and coherent sound libraries. But the way Atlas
”AI” does the mapping is in most of the cases not even close usable. And what worst, you can’t manually edit and make the kit better.

yeah, the manual editing of categories is something I am missing, too (I hope the soon to be released v2 will be better in this aspect)

In my opinion the Algonaut guys haven’t even tried. They have abandonet the product - taken the money and run away.

Matt (the developer) is actually a nice guy and does not seem to run away with money (there's v2 around the corner and the upgrade price is very reasonable, I'd say).

But YMMV, of course! I just wanted to balance your negative opinion with a positive one.

”Balancing” seems to be an absolute value for some people.

I try to be honest and fair: critizize and thank for a reason.

My points here are not just opinion, those are all empirical based, justified arguments.

Algonaut developers may be ”nice guys”, for me the end result is what counts.
Algonaut has had plenty of time redeem their product promises - that has not happened, so far.

I have used my time and money with this product. I think, that I have permission to expect value for my input.

The main thing I expect is, to really develop the AI. At the moment the Atlas ”AI” doesn’t do the job, not even close. And what worst, you can’t manually edit and make the kit better.

And as said, there should be a mashine learning option, where the user could teach the AI making better mappings.

[BuddySpencer]

I was able to test the Atlas 2 beta and I have to say that for me Atlas is the best drum-sample plugin.

If Atlas is the best in the genre, the level is really miserable.
I’ve owned the Atlas since its release, tried several times with different sound content - with very bad results.

What exactly did you try and in which area did you get bad results? Do you mean the assignment of the specific sounds to the categories?

” What exactly did you try.”
1.Map the kit piece sounds
2.Create usable kits via the Atlas
3. Save kits
4. Create and use Midi grooves/fills

” which area did you get bad results?”
See the previous areas 1-4.

The Atlas ”AI” is a joke - the ability to recognize and map sounds is lousy.
The end results are 95 % useless.

I’ve really tried. I have used really good and coherent sound libraries. But the way Atlas
”AI” does the mapping is in most of the cases not even close usable. And what worst, you can’t manually edit and make the kit better.

There should be a mashine learning option, where the user could teach the AI
making better mappings.

These were just the top of the iceberg of the shortages in Atlas.

In my opinion the Algonaut guys haven’t even tried. They have abandonet the product - taken the money and run away.

Ok well I don´t have any problems regarding your first 4 points. Maybe that´s because I started with 1.4.4 and you used and older version?

For my samples the AI assigns samples in 90-95% to the correct category. Sometimes it thinks a rim is a snare or a crash is a ride and vice versa but that doesn´t bother me at all and the overall workflow makes up for it. If I´m not mistaken the AI is even improved in Atlas 2.

I tested it long time against XO. I don´t miss any features and it just suits my workflow a lot better, which is just an individual thing of how one is used to produce music.

[Harry_HH]

I was able to test the Atlas 2 beta and I have to say that for me Atlas is the best drum-sample plugin.

If Atlas is the best in the genre, the level is really miserable.
I’ve owned the Atlas since its release, tried several times with different sound content - with very bad results.

What exactly did you try and in which area did you get bad results? Do you mean the assignment of the specific sounds to the categories?

” What exactly did you try.”
1.Map the kit piece sounds
2.Create usable kits via the Atlas
3. Save kits
4. Create and use Midi grooves/fills

” which area did you get bad results?”
See the previous areas 1-4.

The Atlas ”AI” is a joke - the ability to recognize and map sounds is lousy.
The end results are 95 % useless.

I’ve really tried. I have used really good and coherent sound libraries. But the way Atlas
”AI” does the mapping is in most of the cases not even close usable. And what worst, you can’t manually edit and make the kit better.

There should be a mashine learning option, where the user could teach the AI
making better mappings.

These were just the top of the iceberg of the shortages in Atlas.

In my opinion the Algonaut guys haven’t even tried. They have abandonet the product - taken the money and run away.

Ok well I don´t have any problems regarding your first 4 points. Maybe that´s because I started with 1.4.4 and you use and older version?

For my samples the AI assigns samples in 90-95% to the correct category. Sometimes it thinks a rim is a snare or a crash is a ride and vice versa but that doesn´t bother me at all and the overall workflow makes up for it. If I´m not mistaken the AI is even improved in Atlas 2.

I tested it long time against XO. I don´t miss any features and it just suits my workflow a lot better, which is just an individual thing of how one is used to produce music.

I have the latest Atlas version.

Maybe what makes the difference between you and me, that I require real add on value for the product.
Meaning here, that I benchmark the product, that the Atlas should give me something new, some add on value, which the other tools, by which I create the rhythm tracks, do not offer.
The "other tools" here are e. g. 5 different drum machines (type Revolution or Spark 2) and 4 different virtual drum tool (type BFD3 or Electro Acoustic), Live drum racks, separate drum and percussion tool libraries, RMX2 etc.

[BuddySpencer]

No that´s not the point as those other tools simply don´t belong to the same category as Atlas. (Not speaking of better or worse but just different). The only thing they have in common is that it´s about drums. It doesn´t make any sense to compare them.
Totaly depends on what you are after in your productions and what you need.

Really can´t understand how you want to compare Atlas with e.g. Live Racks, this doesn´t make any sense to me.

[Harry_HH]

No that´s not the point as those other tools simply don´t belong to the same category as Atlas. (Not speaking of better or worse but just different). The only thing they have in common is that it´s about drums. It doesn´t make any sense to compare them.
Totaly depends on what you are after in your productions and what you need.

Really can´t understand how you want to compare Atlas with e.g. Live Racks, this doesn´t make any sense to me.

You are totally missing the point - or your idea of making music and music making tools differs totally from mine.

"don´t belong to the same category"...

I don't invest in tool "categories".
For me the end result, including the work flow, speed and quality, is what counts. Here is only one "category" for me: creating a rhythm track. There are different tools for getting that, some tools suit better to some styles or way to work.

If I invest in some tool, it must bring something new for me, in soundwise, in innovativines, creativines, easynes etc. Simple as that.
If course I compare the tools.

[BuddySpencer]

No that´s not the point as those other tools simply don´t belong to the same category as Atlas. (Not speaking of better or worse but just different). The only thing they have in common is that it´s about drums. It doesn´t make any sense to compare them.
Totaly depends on what you are after in your productions and what you need.

Really can´t understand how you want to compare Atlas with e.g. Live Racks, this doesn´t make any sense to me.

or your idea of making music and music making tools differs totally from mine.


For me the end result, including the work flow, speed and quality, is what counts. [...] There are different tools for getting that, some tools suit better to some styles or way to work.

If I invest in some tool, it must bring something new for me, in soundwise, in innovativines, creativines, easynes etc. Simple as that.
If course I compare the tools.

Yeah but this is my point. And Atlas brings something new " in soundwise, in innovativines, creativines, easynes", but it seems like it doesn´t suite your workflow.

And then it's just unfair to say that the plugin is bad in itself or even that the developer doesn't care about the product and wants to make money (which isn´t the case, considering the updates and really cheap upgrade-pricing from Atlas 1 to Atlas 2) just because it doesn't fit your needs. None of the other tools would give me any advantage over Atlas, simply because I make music in a way that the features Atlas provides is perfect for.

[bassg]

”Balancing” seems to be an absolute value for some people.

I try to be honest and fair: critizize and thank for a reason.

My points here are not just opinion, those are all empirical based, justified arguments.

Well, I just have different experience with Atlas, that's all. You try to be honest and so do I. Cheers!

[Harry_HH]

”Balancing” seems to be an absolute value for some people.

I try to be honest and fair: critizize and thank for a reason.

My points here are not just opinion, those are all empirical based, justified arguments.

Well, I just have different experience with Atlas, that's all. You try to be honest and so do I. Cheers!

I can’t take into account your comment, because you don’t give any real counter-arguments to my detailed points I made above.
Your’s are just ”I like - thumbs up” emotional flaggings.

[lasertag]

I like Atlas for its simplicity and convenience, but I have XO, for me it is more flexible, as well as a very large number of presets in XO, I would like Atlas 2 to have the opportunity to experiment with presets

[bassg]

I can’t take into account your comment, because you don’t give any real counter-arguments to my detailed points I made above.
Your’s are just ”I like - thumbs up” emotional flaggings.

Counter-arguments to your "detailed points"? Sorry could be I missed them, thought it was enough to comment your post. Look, I totally understand you've had certain expectations which Atlas does not seem to fulfill, it's fine and I was not trying to convince you at all. I like it and it fits me perfectly, yes, so what would you expect from me then? You said Atlas does not work for you and I said it does work for me, end of story.

[Harry_HH]

I can’t take into account your comment, because you don’t give any real counter-arguments to my detailed points I made above.
Your’s are just ”I like - thumbs up” emotional flaggings.

Counter-arguments to your "detailed points"? Sorry could be I missed them, thought it was enough to comment your post. Look, I totally understand you've had certain expectations which Atlas does not seem to fulfill, it's fine and I was not trying to convince you at all. I like it and it fits me perfectly, yes, so what would you expect from me then? You said Atlas does not work for you and I said it does work for me, end of story.

Well, if you missed my arguments (=you are too lazy to read a couple of pages back in this thread), I list my points here, once again, below.

Your ”not trying convincing” sounds arrogant to me. We call that argument-based interaction discussion, or discourse.

Note, that these are not just my ”wish list”, taken out of the hat, but the product promise, which the developer stated when he launched the Atlas as ”Innovative AI tool”:

-Mapping: poor results in sound mapping. Atlas ”AI” does the mapping is in most of the cases not even close usable - a lot of sounds grouped together not belonging to the same category of a kit

- you can’t manually edit and make the ”AI” created kit better.

-need for option not only to delete, but also add single samples to the map

-mashine learning option, where the user could teach the AI
making better mappings.

Very fundamental:
- option to define own drum set save/load paths
- own (path) drum set appear to the Atlas UI (now only factory path,
which is stupidly C: - who want's to fill the SSD with these presets?

Additional points:
- option to define the map size
- option to define mapping priorities
- more editing /fx per sample

[bassg]

Well, if you missed my arguments (=you are too lazy to read a couple of pages back in this thread), I list my points here, once again, below.
Your ”not trying convincing” sounds arrogant to me. We call that argument-based interaction discussion.

Saying "I was not trying to convince you" sounds arrogant to you? OK, sorry then. And I read what you wrote, so my "laziness" has nothing to do with that.

Note, that these are not just my ”wish list”, taken out of the hat, but the product promise, which the developer stated when he launched the Atlas as ”Innovative AI tool”:
-Mapping: poor results in sound mapping. Atlas ”AI” does the mapping is in most of the cases not even close usable.

As I said (and I actually start to feel sorry about that), this works for me very well, certainly nothing I'd call "in most of the cases not even close usable".

- you can’t manually edit and make the ”AI” created kit better.

Again, not quite sure, maybe I miss your point but sure you can edit the kit further, replace samples by hand or let Atlas choose another sound from the same category.

-need for option not only to delete, but also add single samples to the map

I see, my needs are different - once I create a map I usually do not add or delete anything, so I don't really need it. But it would be nice (I guess I'll wait for v2 to see if there's an improvement).

-mashine learning option, where the user could teach the AI making better mappings.

Yes, this would be great.

Very fundamental:
- option to define own drum set save/load paths
- own (path) drum set appear to the Atlas UI (now only factory path,
which is stupidly C: - who want's to fill the SSD with these presets?

Yes, this would be nice. Not fundamental to me though. I save my kits to C drive for the time being, they're one shot samples after all so do not take much space anyway.

Additional points:
- option to define the map size
- option to define mapping priorities
- more editing /fx per sample

I don't exactly know what you mean with the first 2 points, but more editing/FX per sample is always welcome, sure.

Thank you for taking your time and posting those points again. I don't want to have "a discussion" with you, all I wanted was to express my positive experience. Perhaps I should not have quoted your post just because of that.

[djmce]

Atlas 2 looks very promising...is the launch date already known? The AI in Atlas 1 works for my use case very well.

[BuddySpencer]

Atlas 2 looks very promising...is the launch date already known? The AI in Atlas 1 works for my use case very well.

According to a facebook-posting by the dev Atlas 2 should come out next week.