Phonolyth (Yuri Turov) releases Velvet Machine
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- KVRist
- 58 posts since 25 Oct, 2009
really nice plugin thanks mr turov, can make some really creative effects with it
i wonder if it's possible to make the it respond smoothly to changes in the 'density' knob, at the moment it sounds like each time it changes to a different ips value it resets the internal buffer, it would be cool if it just kept it and get more and more diffuse or less and less diffuse as you changed the dial.
sorry if i'm not explaining this correctly, or if i missed something obvious here?
thanks for your time
i wonder if it's possible to make the it respond smoothly to changes in the 'density' knob, at the moment it sounds like each time it changes to a different ips value it resets the internal buffer, it would be cool if it just kept it and get more and more diffuse or less and less diffuse as you changed the dial.
sorry if i'm not explaining this correctly, or if i missed something obvious here?
thanks for your time
- KVRAF
- 1557 posts since 14 Jul, 2018
- KVRer
- 19 posts since 11 Dec, 2013 from Georgia
Thanks!sengoku wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:04 am really nice plugin thanks mr turov, can make some really creative effects with it
i wonder if it's possible to make the it respond smoothly to changes in the 'density' knob, at the moment it sounds like each time it changes to a different ips value it resets the internal buffer, it would be cool if it just kept it and get more and more diffuse or less and less diffuse as you changed the dial.
This is something I want as a user myself, but somewhat computationally expensive and/or tricky to do. Furthermore, crossfading techniques don't work that well at low densities. But yeah, I'm going to do some R&D on this.
+1
- KVRAF
- 5479 posts since 15 Dec, 2011 from Bucharest, Romania
Bought, after half an hour of demoing. Sounds lovely!
The GUI reminds me of Audio Damage stuff, I honestly think VM deserves better...
The GUI reminds me of Audio Damage stuff, I honestly think VM deserves better...
- KVRer
- 19 posts since 11 Dec, 2013 from Georgia
Thank you!
For the GUI, I was just building on the style of my previous synth, Shoom, but yeah, note taken
- KVRAF
- 7325 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
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- KVRAF
- 15508 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
Admittedly I didn't look very hard, but I did look and I can't seem to find a reference to what kind of registration/copy protection this uses? It seems quite cool but I'm no longer doing C/R from small vendors.
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- KVRist
- 370 posts since 8 Jun, 2009
No copy protection at all. Hopefully enough honest people buy this little gem of a plug in.ghettosynth wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:23 pm Admittedly I didn't look very hard, but I did look and I can't seem to find a reference to what kind of registration/copy protection this uses? It seems quite cool but I'm no longer doing C/R from small vendors.
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- KVRAF
- 15508 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
Cool, tnx!dreamvoid wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:11 pmNo copy protection at all. Hopefully enough honest people buy this little gem of a plug in.ghettosynth wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:23 pm Admittedly I didn't look very hard, but I did look and I can't seem to find a reference to what kind of registration/copy protection this uses? It seems quite cool but I'm no longer doing C/R from small vendors.
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- KVRian
- 938 posts since 29 May, 2011 from Germany
- KVRAF
- 1557 posts since 14 Jul, 2018
wishlist idea:
if i modulate the predelay slightly it gives quite a nice, subtle movement
(i can do this in logic via MIDI-FX > Modulator; 0.23 Hz, 19%, sinus-LFO)
maybe an idea for a (future) LFO ?
some kind of pitch-modulation (think chorus) would be cool too...
if i modulate the predelay slightly it gives quite a nice, subtle movement
(i can do this in logic via MIDI-FX > Modulator; 0.23 Hz, 19%, sinus-LFO)
maybe an idea for a (future) LFO ?
some kind of pitch-modulation (think chorus) would be cool too...
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- KVRian
- 749 posts since 2 Aug, 2013
I've been playing with this a lot ever since I purchased it. I have some suggestions.
-The ability to fine tune the density. We're able to fine tune everything while holding ctrl, is there a reason why we can't for density?
-Mseg for density (I think it's been mentioned before?).
-Some sort of high frequency dampening, maybe even an mseg for the dampening if possible.
-Some sort of crossfeeding between L&R would be cool too. Or maybe even just an option to sum the input to mono.
But even without these changes, this is a very unique piece of software
-The ability to fine tune the density. We're able to fine tune everything while holding ctrl, is there a reason why we can't for density?
-Mseg for density (I think it's been mentioned before?).
-Some sort of high frequency dampening, maybe even an mseg for the dampening if possible.
-Some sort of crossfeeding between L&R would be cool too. Or maybe even just an option to sum the input to mono.
But even without these changes, this is a very unique piece of software
- KVRer
- 19 posts since 11 Dec, 2013 from Georgia
muki, SeeingInMidi,
Thanks for the suggestions! I've had some of these in mind too.
I've been thinking of a couple of tricks to work around this, but I've yet to test them.
Overall, the time-domain approach to convolution that Velvet Machine uses has pros and cons compared to frequency-domain convolution used in general purpose IR convolvers. The latter makes all response densities and all smooth changes (be it volume, length, density or filtering) almost equally expensive, while the former is much cheaper for lower densities, really cheap for volume or length changes, but doesn't work that well for time-varying filtering.
Thanks for the suggestions! I've had some of these in mind too.
The reason for density being stepped (and thus not fine-tunable) is that it's somewhat computationally expensive to recalculate the positions of up to tens of thousands response impulses (= delay taps) and, more importantly, very expensive to move them smoothly.SeeingInMidi wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:42 pm -The ability to fine tune the density. We're able to fine tune everything while holding ctrl, is there a reason why we can't for density?
I've been thinking of a couple of tricks to work around this, but I've yet to test them.
This very much depends on the previous point as tweaking an envelope in real time implies smooth changes. If smooth density changes are made possible, then why notSeeingInMidi wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:42 pm -Mseg for density (I think it's been mentioned before?)
Similarly, this would be very CPU-heavy in straight-ahead implementation (a filter for each tap), but might work with some trickery, I'll give it a thought...SeeingInMidi wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:42 pm -Some sort of high frequency dampening, maybe even an mseg for the dampening if possible.
Overall, the time-domain approach to convolution that Velvet Machine uses has pros and cons compared to frequency-domain convolution used in general purpose IR convolvers. The latter makes all response densities and all smooth changes (be it volume, length, density or filtering) almost equally expensive, while the former is much cheaper for lower densities, really cheap for volume or length changes, but doesn't work that well for time-varying filtering.
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- KVRian
- 749 posts since 2 Aug, 2013
Thanks for the explanations! Velvet machine is a very exciting productwhy.turov wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:50 pm muki, SeeingInMidi,
Thanks for the suggestions! I've had some of these in mind too.
The reason for density being stepped (and thus not fine-tunable) is that it's somewhat computationally expensive to recalculate the positions of up to tens of thousands response impulses...SeeingInMidi wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:42 pm -The ability to fine tune the density. We're able to fine tune everything while holding ctrl, is there a reason why we can't for density?
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- KVRist
- 106 posts since 11 Oct, 2020
I didn't think I needed any more delay type effects but I installed this demo and lost a fun hour chucking sine waves into it. Bought! So far I'm particularly fond of putting an envelope follower on the density.
Currently on sale for $20 which I'm guessing is the best it might be for a while if anyone else missed out on the intro offer
Currently on sale for $20 which I'm guessing is the best it might be for a while if anyone else missed out on the intro offer