Reason 12 announced

[killmaster]

So if you purchase the non subscription Reason 11 upgrade now, will you get Reason 12 (non subscription) when it comes out or is that only for Reason+ subscribers. It doesn't seem to state that very clearly.

[killmaster]

So if you purchase the non subscription Reason 11 upgrade now, will you get Reason 12 (non subscription) when it comes out or is that only for Reason+ subscribers. It doesn't seem to state that very clearly.

found this:

"If you have bought and registered one of the following products:

Reason 11
Reason 11 Upgrade
Reason 11 Suite
Reason 11 Suite Upgrade
Reason 11 Upgrade for Intro/Lite
on or after May 1st 2021 you will automatically receive a free (grace-period) Reason 12 Upgrade upon product release date (September 1st 2021)."

[MuzikFreq]

Posted something rather cool related to Reason today that I've never posted here before over here.

It's pretty weird when I look back to the old Reason days, because there were times that I didn't make any music at all, but instead spent several days or weeks working on highly complicated combinators and trying to design skins to go along with them.

From combinators, I got into Reaktor in building instruments using nodes and wires, such as with this highly complex instrument here.

If you want to gain a basic understanding of modulation and routing, Reason does help here, but it highlights how shallow it has been and highly restricted it has been with no development of the Combinator in what has been 16 years now since it came into version 3.0 in 2005.

The new combinator system in R12 feels like it's come a bit too late to the party, it should have been updated at least 10 years ago and to actually capitalise on what could be done with Rack Extensions.

Late to which party?
Maybe to something like Ableton and Bitwig being able to make custom macros and modulation... But most other DAWs either lack the amount of control or have complex routing you need to do.

If anything they are late to is the sampler... FL studio even further behind as their sampler is super basic in today's standards

[Downangle]

I have been contemplating the situation with the focus on the plugin vs the DAW aspect of Reason. From what's been said by RS as well as the power users, it really does seem that they are going to focus on the RRP at the expense of the DAW. Even their page says "We're a plugin (and a DAW)" like the DAW part is an afterthought. So I started to imagine all this hype and energy for just a plugin. It seems inconceivable to me. I have used Reason for a very long time, and it's always been an environment. That environment, in my opinion, was worth the hype and the energy RS put into it. If, in fact, they are going to be just a plugin, then all of this... their site, the subscription, the sound packs... all of it.... seems way over the top. What other plugin do you see promoted like this? Imagine if Spectrasonics promoted Omni like this? It would be a bloodbath!

[SLiC]

If people who don’t use Reason want to waste their time in a thread for discussing the new Reason 12 update I guess that’s up to them...although why anyone feels the need to tell Reason users they don’t like Reason is strange to me!

Was someone actually doing that, or are you referring to my post complaining about the drum sequencer? I love reason, I've used it for 20 years at this point, give or take. I mostly use Ableton these days, but having the rack VST has been fantastic. But sometimes, they blow it -- like with the drum sequencer, for the reasons I already detailed. Disliking one thing in a DAW and explaining why isn't the same as "telling Reason users they don't like Reason", so I'm hoping you're referring to something else posted here,

Since RRP is THE product going forward, they'll have to figure out a suitable replacement for pattern tracks working with sequenced REs outside of Reason. What is needed are 3 parameters: one to select pattern, one to trigger playback, one to offset the starting point - all of that could be made via automation and/or using some very low / very high MIDI notes.

Yes, I think you can automate pattern switching in the rack if you put it in a combiner....will try it today, but a simple stand alone pattern programmer in the rack is a great idea...could be used more like a modular than a DAW....actually the drum sequencer would make a superb pattern sequencer with probability and the ability for each lane to run at different speeds!

Are you at Reason Talk forums? Should suggest it (if you haven’t already!)

[antic604]

So if you purchase the non subscription Reason 11 upgrade now, will you get Reason 12 (non subscription) when it comes out or is that only for Reason+ subscribers. It doesn't seem to state that very clearly.

Because it's not available anymore, I think? There was a 2 week sale, the usual May Madness.

[antic604]

Are you at Reason Talk forums? Should suggest it (if you haven’t already!)

Not anymore

[EnochLight]

Are you at Reason Talk forums? Should suggest it (if you haven’t already!)

Not anymore

Your account is closed? Why?

[D-Fusion]

I gave Reason a test run thinking about getting v11+12 this month but it still doesn't like Hyperthreading enabled with vst.
1 Instance of System 8 goes between 19-21% when hyperthreading is enabled and when i disable it it goes down to 5% (This happens on Intel and AMD on 2 different setups).
Something is very broken in Reasons Audio engine or cpu handling.

No vst3 support is also a dealbreaker so guess i will wait until this is fixed and vote with my wallet.

[antic604]

Are you at Reason Talk forums? Should suggest it (if you haven’t already!)

Not anymore

Your account is closed? Why?

I wasn't happy enough about RS dropping Reason DAW development

[EnochLight]

I wasn't happy enough about RS dropping Reason DAW development

I feel you - I’m flat out pissed no core DAW stuff seems to be coming in the initial 12 release. Though officially they haven’t dropped development. That said, I’ll believe that as 12.x updates stream out over the next year - if no core DAW (read: specifically sequencer and main mixer) stuff is introduced, then I guess that’s it. ‘‘Twas a nice ride!

[antic604]

I wasn't happy enough about RS dropping Reason DAW development

I feel you - I’m flat out pissed no core DAW stuff seems to be coming in the initial 12 release. Though officially they haven’t dropped development. That said, I’ll believe that as 12.x updates stream out over the next year - if no core DAW (read: specifically sequencer and main mixer) stuff is introduced, then I guess that’s it. ‘‘Twas a nice ride!

That's why I'm still uncertain about upgrading to v12... I don't care as much about high-res, because I bought a 1080p laptop in 2018 *precisely* because Reason looked bad at higher res screens. And I've not interest for new sampler or combinator, if I'm using RRP in Bitwig or Studio One...

Hopefull more features are announced before 1st Sept. although my hopes aren't high.

It's heartbreaking to me, because Reason - for some reason - is the most inspiring, idea-inducing environment for me and it's really just missing few things (track folders, mostly) to be perfect for what I need

[SLiC]

Speaking as someone who only really bought Reason for the rack to use in other DAWS, I hope they do continue to develop their own internal sequencer, I had no idea how much it had developed (and I suspect other ex-Reason users don't know either!). Firstly Record was a separate product...then they integrated it, then they introduced Re, then VST integration and then made reason rack a VAT to use in any DAW! Quite the reinvention! Also the quality of the players and instruments only seem to be getting better...I have high hopes for the new sampler and combiner.

Selling a DAW is a very hard market, there are so may great and really well established DAWS often for bargain prices (like Reaper and the announced free Behringer DAW) so just being another 'great DAW' may not be enough...people may also have preconceived ideas about Reason (as I did) as a main DAW and that can be a difficult impression to change. I think most people (everyone with ears ) things Reason makes great instruments and fx and Reason even when used just as a rack is an absolute bargain.

On balance, I think Reason may be doing the right thing. They had to tackle the graphics issue (no doubt a big job) and giving people a Rack to use in any DAW rather than just trying to win the DAW WAR will attract a new user base (like me) who may then discover the sequencer side and want more!

[antic604]

Selling a DAW is a very hard market, there are so may great and really well established DAWS often for bargain prices (like Reaper and the announced free Behringer DAW) so just being another 'great DAW' may not be enough...people may also have preconceived ideas about Reason (as I did) as a main DAW and that can be a difficult impression to change. I think most people (everyone with ears ) things Reason makes great instruments and fx and Reason even when used just as a rack is an absolute bargain.

That's unfortunate, if true. Reason is actually one of the best set up DAWs out-of-the-box, whereas with something like Reaper you need to spend half a day to have things behave in a reasonable manner. Over the years the devs seem to have chosen the right balance between depth and complexity, making the 80% of typical workflow a breeze and actually giving you more joy and inspiration than most other DAWs. It's pretty incredible how you can work never pressing a Tab and touching any cables or mixer, but they're there when you want to dive deep.

IMO Rack without the Sequencer and Mixer is only half (the "lesser" half at that ) of the Reason experience. But I'm increasingly in the minority expressing my concerns around that... So I don't mind getting banned from ReasonTalk, because there's no use talking about Reason without the DAW. RRP is just an instrument and/or effect like hundreds out there.

[MuzikFreq]

I think the reason for making the RRP was mainly due being able to do what they needed within VST3 and no longer needing to carry on Rewire.

I find when I start using the RRP in something like Bitwig I feel like I should just use Reason's DAW as there's not much difference other than it being easier to manage.
I usually just toss all my drums to kong or redrum and create new midi lanes for each sound which essentially makes the drums in their own arrangement folder sort of. As for anything else lately I have just been putting into a combinator and doing automations routed into it so they all stay together.
Not the most elegant work around but still works.