Will Daws Eventually End Up As Hardware ?

[jancivil]

I agree with whyte. The Muse Receptor is (probably still) a model for a failed concept. The OS and hardware are less and less in the way today, and with the ARM architecture... I WISH there would be dedicated systems but the only ones that have really been were extremely expensive and this model failed in the marketplace (Synclavier), finally unsupportable.

I made half of my "2017" album in a Peet's coffee with an MBP, a small controller and audio interface. In there literally their whole day.

[pekbro]

I thought DAWS started out as hardware.

[vurt]

duncan banatine is oot!

yeah, it's a no from me too.

[Karbon L. Forms]

Fairlight CMI? RADAR?

[zerocrossing]

A good desk and chair, full size monitor, mouse and keyboard are more ergonomic for me than those small devices.
If you're to believe Youtube, 90% of producers make their music in coffee shops, at the beach or on top of mountains, but I'd guess a majority still prefer something that at least resembles a studio, even if it's in a bedroom.

i got kicked out of my local coffee shop when i tried plugging all my synths n stuff in.
was ok till i unplugged the coffee machine.

Reminds me of when I was kicked out of the movie theater for eating. Who doesn’t like a little hibachi grilled meat during an action flick? I guess some people just didn’t appreciate the smoke, but I thought it added a nice ambience.

[zerocrossing]

As someone who came from THE BEFORE TIME, I personally can’t imagine hardware DAWs becoming the dominant paradigm again. I sure don’t want it. What I do want is for more manufacturers to make things like Push but for other big DAW software brands, like Bitwig, but a hardware Bitwig? It would just be a box of compromise for a little tactile editing control. I can easily live without it.

[jancivil]

it seems like the fact there are enough people interested in large screens now to be a going market would somewhat ameliorate the [notion of] enthusiasm for a modern-day DAW inside of one box with a small display.

[BONES]

I know it's a funny thing to say, but things do tend to go around in circles. I mean take Studio One because well Presonus also do hardware. They could easily fit Studio One on an electronic device more advanced than a basic Ipad. Essentially it would mean removing the actual desktop or laptop from the equation and doing things in the old school way.

Before software DAWs there were workstation synths, like the Korg Trinity/Triton. These were DAWs in the purest sense. e.g. My Trinity could record audio and the first song NOVAkILL ever released was done 100% inside the Trinity, even my vocals. It had a fantastic sequencer that was better than a lot of software sequencers I've used. But the hardware itself was a huge limitation - 18 tracks, 36 voices in total and the same sort of effects set-up you see in a VSTi like Roli's Equator. You'd hate it.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that the Trinity cost me $5500 in 1999 and that was a huge discount. Full retail would have been around $7000.

[pixel85]

Hardware DAW is nothing new, it existed before DAWs and they still exist in parallel universe of music production : https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical ... index.html

All you need is to create one with Live or other DAW + 3rd party plugins.

Personally, I can't imagine working on such a small screen. Already my ultrawide screen feels too small to me and I'd like to add two more soon.

[gentleclockdivider]

Hardware daws existed long before software daws were a thing
As mentioned before , ensoniq paris , fairlight , tascam , iz/otari radar etc...

[gentleclockdivider]

I know it's a funny thing to say, but things do tend to go around in circles. I mean take Studio One because well Presonus also do hardware. They could easily fit Studio One on an electronic device more advanced than a basic Ipad. Essentially it would mean removing the actual desktop or laptop from the equation and doing things in the old school way. Look at this for example...

You mean this ?

[jancivil]

"All you need is to create one with Live or other DAW + 3rd party plugins."
you need a computer then, which obviates the point of some hardware that isn't one being the DAW entirely

part of whyte's post I like is computers *are* hardware, not only a distinction without a difference, a distinction without distinction.

I am collaborating with someone who mainly plays live using a Yamaha Motif. In order to compose he has some form of Pro Tools, you know, timeline sequencing workflow and audio editor with a somewhat larger display. and I don't know if the keyboard station renders .wav or not.

There may be enough people that don't like having more to work with because they'll never use it, I wouldn't bet the rent on it.

[Schmidi]

I'm very happy with the MPC Live as both stand alone box and DAW integration. It can be a useful control surface with the MPC software (and now Ableton), where I can sound design and sample my VSTs for use in the MPC in stand alone mode. MPC is a VERY different workflow that took me a few months to really click with, but now I love it. The battery capability has been really cool for use in different places of my house or when I'm out. I wouldn't hesitate to play live with it.

I would probably use a different DAW for finishing/mixdown, but the MPC hard/soft combo has been sweet for my workflow.

[Michael L]

Most people use a combo of software, hardware, controllers, instruments and microphones.
I don't see that changing.

[jamcat]

A hardware DAW is literally the worst of all worlds. You get only the downside, none of the upsides.