Ozone Pro - iZotope go subscription

[axembler]

Found out after upgraded to MPS4...wasted my hard earned money...will not sub even if it's 1$
RIP Izotope

well, in their defense, i don't think MPS4 is worthless just because all future versions are going to be subscription. it's not like Ozone 9 etc. suddenly stops working because they went subscription, there's lots of good stuff in MPS4 to keep you going for decades. so, money wasn't actually wasted, you got a set of great tools to work with.

Please don't defend them, what they did is terrible! They announced subscription after MPS4 upgrade sale. If I new that I would never upgrade. Sure, those are nice tools but nothing essential for me...

[Burillo]

Found out after upgraded to MPS4...wasted my hard earned money...will not sub even if it's 1$
RIP Izotope

well, in their defense, i don't think MPS4 is worthless just because all future versions are going to be subscription. it's not like Ozone 9 etc. suddenly stops working because they went subscription, there's lots of good stuff in MPS4 to keep you going for decades. so, money wasn't actually wasted, you got a set of great tools to work with.

Please don't defend them, what they did is terrible! They announced subscription after MPS4 upgrade sale. If I new that I would never upgrade. Sure, those are nice tools but nothing essential for me...

if it wasn't essential, why did you buy it? clearly it held some value for you at the time of purchase? and how does iZotope going subscription diminish said value?

i mean, i get the sentiment, but that's why no one should buy plugins based on some future expectations.

[axembler]

Wow, you're so smart

[toddle guitar]

no one should buy plugins based on some future expectations.

that's not entirely true, is it? not when you buy from a big vendor that you know is not going away tomorrow.

I think I've read you bought Amplitube? didn't you upgrade from 4th to 5th? or wouldn't you, when 6th comes out, expect an upgrade price for yourself from 5th to 6th? don't you feel entitled to free incremental updates like 5.01, 5,02 and so on, that you don't have to pay for each and every time?

there are a few things people may and should rightfully expect when they buy plugin version X from an established vendor.

[martinjuenke]

However, I'll use my iZotope MPS4 as long as I can.
(Subscription is unlikely for me)
I do not depreciate my investment with negative emotions.
I take it as it is. Just my way...


IMO there are worse problems in this crazy world...

[Burillo]

no one should buy plugins based on some future expectations.

that's not entirely true, is it? not when you buy from a big vendor that you know is not going away tomorrow.

well, yeah, i suppose you have a point here. still, it is a good practice to not have expectations regarding the future of a plugin, and only buy if you know you have to have it right now.

I think I've read you bought Amplitube? didn't you upgrade from 4th to 5th? or wouldn't you, when 6th comes out, expect an upgrade price for yourself from 5th to 6th? don't you feel entitled to free incremental updates like 5.01, 5,02 and so on, that you don't have to pay for each and every time?

i don't see how that's comparable, because AFAIK Ozone 9 did get minor version updates. the issue here is a future feature release of Ozone. if they declare Ozone 9 to be discontinued (as in, no more OS compatibility updates, bugfixes etc.), then yeah, that would be basically forcing everyone to subscription, but as far as i know, they said they will keep the "purchase" version, which means you won't get feature updates (which you wouldn't have anyway until Ozone 10 was released) but you will get maintenance.

IK's upgrade policy is another matter entirely, and one i'm not happy with either (i got Amplitube 5 because i got their interface, which came with it), but i always buy IK software knowing full well that i'm 1) not going to be able to resell it, ever, 2) will have to pay to redownload the sound data, and 3) will probably not get feature updates during lifetime of a specific product (the exception was MODO Bass, which added a new bass model once - nice surprise, but more of an exception than a rule). i never buy IK software on the expectation that i will get feature updates in the future.

[Greenstorm33]

If they declare Ozone 9 to be discontinued (as in, no more OS compatibility updates, bugfixes etc.), then yeah, that would be basically forcing everyone to subscription,

I thought this is exactly what was happening? It would certainly be a break from their previous business practices to maintain old versions of their software in perpetuity. I'd be a lot less perturbed if they did though.

[DarkStar]

^^^
More likely forcing everyone to reconsider products from other manufacturers.

[Burillo]

If they declare Ozone 9 to be discontinued (as in, no more OS compatibility updates, bugfixes etc.), then yeah, that would be basically forcing everyone to subscription,

I thought this is exactly what was happening? It would certainly be a break from their previous business practices to maintain old versions of their software in perpetuity. I'd be a lot less perturbed if they did though.

As far as I can tell, they said they won't do any major version upgrades (as in, there won't be Ozone 10), but they didn't say anything about going exclusively subscription, so presumably they're not discontinuing existing versions.

[Greenstorm33]

If they declare Ozone 9 to be discontinued (as in, no more OS compatibility updates, bugfixes etc.), then yeah, that would be basically forcing everyone to subscription,

I thought this is exactly what was happening? It would certainly be a break from their previous business practices to maintain old versions of their software in perpetuity. I'd be a lot less perturbed if they did though.

As far as I can tell, they said they won't do any major version upgrades (as in, there won't be Ozone 10), but they didn't say anything about going exclusively subscription, so presumably they're not discontinuing existing versions.

Well here's hoping you're right. Considering they're still selling their "never to be upgraded again" stable of permanent license products for hundreds of dollars they either intend to keep them running or they've tossed any semblance of ethics out the window. I can't decide which is more likely but considering that maintaining old software costs money I'm leaning towards the latter.

[pixel85]

If they declare Ozone 9 to be discontinued (as in, no more OS compatibility updates, bugfixes etc.), then yeah, that would be basically forcing everyone to subscription,

I thought this is exactly what was happening? It would certainly be a break from their previous business practices to maintain old versions of their software in perpetuity. I'd be a lot less perturbed if they did though.

As far as I can tell, they said they won't do any major version upgrades (as in, there won't be Ozone 10), but they didn't say anything about going exclusively subscription, so presumably they're not discontinuing existing versions.

Well here's hoping you're right. Considering they're still selling their "never to be upgraded again" stable of permanent license products for hundreds of dollars they either intend to keep them running or they've tossed any semblance of ethics out the window. I can't decide which is more likely but considering that maintaining old software costs money I'm leaning towards the latter.

Look at Soundtoys. They're still selling their old plugins which from the software age perspective are ancient. They'll do it eventually bringing only OS compatibility updates.
Another possibility is that tgey will drop support within 1 to 3 years from now.

[Igor Sena]

Love iZotope products and have bought most of them but with the introduction of "PRO", the advanced products that i , along with many people, spent hundreds or thousands are going to get pushed to the side in terms of support and most importantly, features.

I understand that companies need money to survive and i can understand the "PRO" version having a few better workflow features, more presets, etc but when you start adding features that should be in the advanced version as well just so people pay a subscription i can´t support that. This to me smells like a gaming industry type of strategy. This is not the way you treat loyal costumers.

And last but not least, i hope this isn´t the beggining of an Adobe type of deal when in the future if you want use iZotope´s products you need to pay for a subscription and i also hope the products i bought dont get support cut off because of that.

Sad to see, specially when you pay hard earned money instead of pirating in order to support companies who make great products.
This, along with the fact that when you ask any question you get an answer pretty fast and they solve your issue(until then I never had any type of complaint about support and their license transfer is the most fair for both parties and something every plugin and sample library developer should follow) but when you politely ask some clarification about the fact that you bought music production suite 3 in recent time and music production suite 4 comes out but your loyalty discount is ridiculous you don't get any replies has left a bad taste in my mouth. I guess greed always ruins great things. But as with anything , at the end of the day, if we don't pay for the subscriptions they have to change that. The problem is, like in the gaming industry, alot of inexperienced people out there who rely solely on their plugins or people who can afford to pay thousands of dollars over the years will still pay the subscription and mess things up for everyone else.

[sacer]

i see an big advance, no more paying for their high priced updates - adios izotope, no interest to subscribe

[Spring Goose]

£200 a year, includes RX Pro?

Sorry what is "RX Pro for music", does somebody know?

[nightjar]

here is a fresh thought on subscription